1 <Ursinha> #startmeeting
2 <Ursinha> Welcome to this week's Launchpad Production Meeting. For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating the resolution of specific Launchpad bugs and issues.
3 <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:01. The chair is Ursinha.
4 <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
5 * flacoste (n=francis@canonical/launchpad/flacoste) has joined #launchpad-meeting
6 <Ursinha> weeee I love MootBot
7 <Ursinha> me!
8 <sinzui> me
9 <al-maisan> me
10 <flacoste> me
11 <intellectronica> me
12 <herb> me
13 <Ursinha> rockstar, ping
14 <rockstar> me
15 <Ursinha> henninge is not here
16 * henninge (n=henning@i577A9673.versanet.de) has joined #launchpad-meeting
17 <henninge> me
18 <Ursinha> :)
19 <Ursinha> cool, everyone is here
20 <Ursinha> apologies from matsubara and bigjools, both on leave
21 <Ursinha> [TOPIC] Agenda
22 <Ursinha> * Next meeting
23 <Ursinha> * Actions from last meeting
24 <Ursinha> * Oops report & Critical Bugs-
25 <Ursinha> * Operations report (mthaddon/herb/spm)
26 <Ursinha> * DBA report (stub)
27 <MootBot> New Topic: Agenda
28 <Ursinha> right
29 <Ursinha> [TOPIC] * Next meeting
30 <Ursinha> it will be xmas day :) so, no meeting
31 <Ursinha> the thursday after will new year's day, so next meeting will be on Jan 8th, is that okay for you guys?
32 <MootBot> New Topic: * Next meeting
33 <flacoste> stub is offline doing an internet upgrade
34 <rockstar> That's more than okay with me.
35 <Ursinha> flacoste, I saw jtv's mail, thanks!
36 <Ursinha> awesome
37 <Ursinha> jan 8th will be
38 <henninge> I'll be here ... ;)
39 <Ursinha> [TOPIC] * Actions from last meeting
40 <Ursinha> None!
41 <MootBot> New Topic: * Actions from last meeting
42 <Ursinha> cool
43 <rockstar> Ursinha, I was just going to ditch the next two meetings. :)
44 <henninge> Wow!
45 <Ursinha> henninge, what?
46 <Ursinha> today it'll be fast!
47 <Ursinha> [TOPIC] * Oops report & Critical Bugs-
48 <Ursinha> two oopses and two bugs
49 <MootBot> New Topic: * Oops report & Critical Bugs-
50 <Ursinha> the oopses: timeout on +newaccount (OOPS-1083H1147), and ubuntu/+builds (OOPS-1083D1281), but I couldn't access them in time, they were giving me the permission denied message
51 <ubottu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1083H1147
52 <ubottu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1083D1281
53 <Ursinha> al-maisan, can you take a look at the ubuntu/+builds one? I don't know if it's alright, but I don't recall seeing those before
54 <al-maisan> Ursinha: will do.
55 <Ursinha> and the newaccount one I guess it's registry
56 <Ursinha> al-maisan, thank you!
57 <Ursinha> [ACTION] al-maisan to take a look at OOPS-1083D1281
58 <ubottu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1083D1281
59 <MootBot> ACTION received: al-maisan to take a look at OOPS-1083D1281
60 <ubottu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1083D1281
61 <Ursinha> sinzui, hi
62 <Ursinha> sinzui, can you or someone look at that timeout oops, please?
63 <Ursinha> erm
64 <Ursinha> let's move to the bugs
65 <Ursinha> two bugs for bugs team, api related
66 <Ursinha> bug 308982, bug 296293
67 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 308982 in malone "ForbiddenAttribute error when setting private field over webservice" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/308982
68 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 296293 in malone "Trying to search through the API for bugtasks passing milestone="url" gives a 500, Internal Server Error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/296293
69 <Ursinha> intellectronica, hi :)
70 <intellectronica> Ursinha: i'm dealing with both
71 <Ursinha> intellectronica, awesome! can you set the attributes on the second one, please?
72 <Ursinha> I'd love to have that fixed
73 <sinzui> Ursinha: I can, but I think the problems are in the syouz domain
74 <intellectronica> sure, doing that now
75 <Ursinha> sinzui, the +newaccount one?
76 * Ursinha looks again
77 * sinzui opened the second oops twice. oops
78 <al-maisan> sinzui: how so?
79 <al-maisan> ah
80 <Ursinha> oh :)
81 <henninge> ee?
82 <rockstar> oi
83 <Ursinha> lol
84 <Ursinha> sinzui, so, what do you think?
85 <sinzui> Ursinha: This may be a duplicate. bac is has a fix for some readonly items in review now
86 <Ursinha> sinzui, right, I'll talk to him about it
87 <Ursinha> didn't have the time to investigate, oops was unavailable
88 <Ursinha> [ACTION] Ursinha to talk to bac about OOPS-1083H1147
89 <ubottu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1083H1147
90 <MootBot> ACTION received: Ursinha to talk to bac about OOPS-1083H1147
91 <ubottu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1083H1147
92 <Ursinha> right
93 <bac> sinzui: i did not address those bugs as it looked like intellectronica was on it. i can include in my branch if we want
94 <sinzui> The specific issue in the oops is that the bugs API is not properly documented
95 <Ursinha> sinzui, oh, you're talking about bugs' bugs
96 <intellectronica> well, it's not really a documentation problem. when the annotations are fixed the documentation should pick it up just fine
97 <sinzui> bug 308982 indicates that the bug API exported some of the attributes as mutable, and they are not
98 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 308982 in malone "ForbiddenAttribute error when setting private field over webservice" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/308982
99 <intellectronica> exactly
100 <Ursinha> well, are you going to keep them intellectronica?
101 <intellectronica> keep them exported, but correct the annotation, yes
102 <Ursinha> okay
103 * sinzui now sees the real oops
104 <Ursinha> can you comment on the bug properly? guess you're already doing that, but anyway :)
105 <Ursinha> intellectronica, ^
106 <intellectronica> doing that
107 <Ursinha> intellectronica, thanks
108 <Ursinha> sinzui, and the oops...
109 <sinzui> Ursinha: I investigated the logintokens this morning. They work (by work, I stole someone's account--they really work)
110 <sinzui> Ursinha: There was definitely something wrong in the DB yesterday that caused this.
111 <sinzui> Ursinha: replication perhaps
112 <Ursinha> sinzui, right. I'll watch it for the next hours/days
113 <Ursinha> will bring the issue to attention if occurs again
114 <Ursinha> [ACTION] Ursinha to watch for new occurrences of OOPS-1083H1147 the next hours/days
115 <ubottu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1083H1147
116 <MootBot> ACTION received: Ursinha to watch for new occurrences of OOPS-1083H1147 the next hours/days
117 <ubottu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1083H1147
118 <Ursinha> thanks sinzui
119 <Ursinha> we have three critical bugs
120 <Ursinha> all fix committed
121 <Ursinha> one is that launchpad-bugzilla one that was always there
122 <Ursinha> one is soyuz and another coswe
123 <Ursinha> argh
124 <Ursinha> *code
125 <al-maisan> aha :)
126 <Ursinha> rockstar, can you set the right status, please please please? :)
127 <Ursinha> rockstar, good morning, btw :P
128 <rockstar> Do we need to close out 2.1.12?
129 <Ursinha> rockstar, we'll need to close it, yeah
130 <rockstar> I think I'll probably just do the two birds/one stone thing then.
131 <Ursinha> two birds? lol
132 <Ursinha> rockstar, thanks :)
133 <henninge> "Close out" is setting all the statusses on bugs and blueprints to Released, right?
134 <Ursinha> rockstar, but setting the status of the critical to fix release is fine for now
135 <Ursinha> henninge, right :)
136 <Ursinha> all of you, please, having pending items to close, let's do it!
137 <henninge> Pleeease do that.
138 <Ursinha> or close or redirect to 2.2.1
139 <Ursinha> henninge, what do you mean?
140 <henninge> Mat includes a link to the milestone page in the release announcement and I find the current state of that page less than fitting to be released publicly.
141 <al-maisan> we did that for the Soyuz 2.1.12 milestone today
142 <al-maisan> i.e. close it out.
143 <Ursinha> al-maisan, great, thanks a lot
144 <Ursinha> henninge, hmm
145 <Ursinha> mrevell, hi :)
146 <mrevell> hey there Ursinha
147 <Ursinha> want to be the special guest ?
148 <Ursinha> :)
149 <Ursinha> see what henninge said above, please
150 <mrevell> Sorry, I haven't been following the meeting, I'm about to go on a call.
151 * mrevell looks
152 <Ursinha> mrevell, no problem, you don't have to
153 <Ursinha> join the meeting, that is
154 * e-jat (n=fenris@ubuntu/member/fenris-) has joined #launchpad-meeting
155 * henninge used "Mat" on purpose ... ;)
156 <mrevell> :) Yes, I do see what henninge says and I agree but I think we should fix it by updating statuses
157 <mrevell> not by removing the link from the release notes :)
158 <henninge> that is what I mean!
159 <henninge> :-)
160 <Ursinha> :)
161 <Ursinha> right, so let's all do the effort to close the items out
162 <Ursinha> right all?
163 <Ursinha> soyuz already done
164 <rockstar> Yes, but often, many of us are not awake when they go from committed to released.
165 <Ursinha> rockstar, I know that
166 <Ursinha> but they'll be online later, right? :)
167 <Ursinha> they always come back
168 <Ursinha> let's try to close it all for the end of Friday
169 <Ursinha> I think it's a good day
170 <Ursinha> everyone ok with that?
171 <Ursinha> hope so
172 <Ursinha> let's move on
173 <Ursinha> thanks mrevell
174 <Ursinha> and everyone else :)
175 <Ursinha> [TOPIC] * Operations report (mthaddon/herb/spm)
176 <MootBot> New Topic: * Operations report (mthaddon/herb/spm)
177 <herb> * Yesterday (2008-12-17) - Rolled out r7469 as 2.1.12
178 <Ursinha> hi herb
179 <herb> * Bugs #156453 and #118625 continue to be a problem, resulting in restarts of codebrowse multiple times this week.
180 <herb> * Bug #260171 continues to be a problem as well
181 <herb> hi
182 <herb> * Bug #252807 has cropped up a couple of times this week.
183 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 156453 in loggerhead "production loggerhead branch leaks memory" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156453
184 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 118625 in launchpad-bazaar "codebrowse sometimes hangs" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118625
185 <herb> * Bugs #49676 & #45419 are becoming more and more important as we spend more and more time dealing with spam on launchpad, a process which is far too manual.
186 <ubottu> Bug 260171 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/260171 is private
187 <ubottu> Bug 252807 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/252807 is private
188 <ubottu> Bug 49676 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/49676 is private
189 <Ursinha> holy cow
190 <Ursinha> rockstar, the loggerhead one you can comment, I guess
191 <Ursinha> also the codebrowse hanging other
192 <rockstar> I can, but I only saw the cherrypick, don't know the context. I know we've been trying.
193 <rockstar> Python sucks.
194 <Ursinha> don't say that
195 <rockstar> :)
196 <Ursinha> :)
197 <Ursinha> rockstar, what can you do about it?
198 <Ursinha> talk with beuno?
199 <sinzui> loggerhead's app and infrastructure sucks
200 <rockstar> We're working hard to try and get those leaks down, but right now, it's black magic.
201 <rockstar> sinzui, it's gotten a lot better, but the memory usage hasn't gone down... :/
202 <Ursinha> rockstar, well... the same thing as every week... comment on the bug and stuff
203 <rockstar> I could expand that to "Python's tool support sucks"
204 <Ursinha> even if the comment is "man, no idea wha't happening"
205 <al-maisan> this is a really cheerful meeting :)
206 <al-maisan> all technology sucks BTW :)
207 <Ursinha> al-maisan, you should come over every weelk :)
208 <rockstar> Well, I can do that once a week if you like. I'll probably just use the API and a cron job.
209 <Ursinha> al-maisan, :)
210 <al-maisan> sure ;)
211 <herb> rockstar: I think we can tolerate the memory usage being in the 1.5-2GB range if the app didn't go on walk about from time to time. 1.5-2GB and responding quickly is fine. 1.5-2GB and taking 10+ seconds to respond, no so much.
212 <rockstar> herb: I'm 95% sure that the two are closely related.
213 <herb> rockstar: I suspect so.
214 <herb> rockstar: but I didn't want to focus on the memory issue and lose the performance problem in the process.
215 <rockstar> Well, I'm pretty free for the next two weeks, so I'll probably check it out at some point.
216 <Ursinha> rockstar, great
217 <Ursinha> please
218 <Ursinha> I pay you a coke on allhands
219 <rockstar> :)
220 <Ursinha> :)
221 <Ursinha> right, the other problems
222 <Ursinha> bug 260171 is also code
223 <ubottu> Bug 260171 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/260171 is private
224 <Ursinha> bug 49676, sinzui, is this registry?
225 <ubottu> Bug 49676 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/49676 is private
226 <Ursinha> damn private bugs..
227 <sinzui> Ursinha: yes
228 <Ursinha> sinzui, well, is something to be done about that?
229 <rockstar> I know nothing about 260171 -- I'll have to wait for AsiaPac to wake up.
230 <Ursinha> rockstar, I see that are other code bugs
231 <Ursinha> or you or me can talk to them later
232 <rockstar> Ursinha, yea, I'll bug 'em. I need to bug mwh anyway.
233 <sinzui> i am still planning a follow to my CHR email, the one where I ask how many man hours are we wasting doing manual labour when we could have built tools to do it for us
234 <rockstar> But we're almost all on leave for the next two weeks.
235 <sinzui> I don't want to commit to when these items will be fix until I really know their priority.
236 <Ursinha> [ACTION] Ursinha and rockstar to talk to code people about 260171 and 252807
237 <MootBot> ACTION received: Ursinha and rockstar to talk to code people about 260171 and 252807
238 <Ursinha> sinzui, fair enough.
239 <Ursinha> [ACTION] sinzui to find out the priority of automatizing manual processes such as bug 49676
240 <MootBot> ACTION received: sinzui to find out the priority of automatizing manual processes such as bug 49676
241 <ubottu> Bug 49676 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/49676 is private
242 <Ursinha> is that ok?
243 <ubottu> Bug 49676 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/49676 is private
244 <rockstar> Ursinha, 252807 is being solved bf abentley's work. It'll probably be in 2.2.1
245 <rockstar> s/bf/by
246 <Ursinha> rockstar, right
247 <Ursinha> rockstar, can you ask him to do a follow-up in the bug
248 <Ursinha> please?
249 <Ursinha> and assign it to 2.2.1 milestone, if appropriated
250 <rockstar> Ursinha, he's on leave 'til next year.
251 <Ursinha> rockstar, well, I can do that so
252 <rockstar> I don't know the details of his work though, so I can't make a solid commitment on when it'll land though.
253 <Ursinha> [ACTION] talk to abentley about the status of bug 252807
254 <MootBot> ACTION received: talk to abentley about the status of bug 252807
255 <ubottu> Bug 252807 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/252807 is private
256 <ubottu> Bug 252807 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/252807 is private
257 <Ursinha> that's okay
258 <Ursinha> anything else for herb?
259 <Ursinha> moving on
260 <Ursinha> [TOPIC] * DBA report (stub)
261 <Ursinha> as jvt mail said, also flacoste, stub is offline, so isn't here
262 <Ursinha> everything went fine in the rollout
263 <MootBot> New Topic: * DBA report (stub)
264 <Ursinha> anything for stub?
265 <Ursinha> I'll mail him later, if needed
266 <Ursinha> if not, and everyone's okay with that, and have nothing to say, I'll declare finished our last production meeting of 2008
267 <flacoste> objectivion!
268 <flacoste> i have something
269 <Ursinha> you always do :)
270 <Ursinha> go ahead
271 <flacoste> :-)
272 <flacoste> there has been one r-c branched landed after the roll-out
273 <flacoste> cprov's branch
274 <flacoste> is there any other r-c issues today
275 <flacoste> ?
276 <Ursinha> flacoste, not that I'm aware of
277 <flacoste> anything that we need to fix and make as part of a follow-up roll-out?
278 <rockstar> Not from code
279 <Ursinha> no weird oopses
280 <Ursinha> no strange bugs, afai checked
281 <flacoste> i've seen one, but i'm not sure yet if we should worry about it
282 * fenris_ (n=fenris@248.97.48.60.wmu01-home.tm.net.my) has joined #launchpad-meeting
283 <Ursinha> flacoste, oops?
284 <Ursinha> or bug?
285 <Ursinha> or what
286 <flacoste> yeah OOPS-1082A2155
287 <ubottu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1082A2155
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289 <flacoste> 14 of those
290 <Ursinha> this one I was investigating before the meeting
291 <Ursinha> but couldn't do it on time
292 <Ursinha> flacoste, are you doing the same?
293 <flacoste> Ursinha: yes, i'll have a look at it
294 <Ursinha> thanks flacoste
295 <flacoste> sinzui, cprov, henninge: anything else?
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297 <Ursinha> [ACTION] flacoste to look at OOPS-1082A2155
298 <ubottu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1082A2155
299 <MootBot> ACTION received: flacoste to look at OOPS-1082A2155
300 <ubottu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1082A2155
301 <henninge> nope
302 <flacoste> cprov: does you r-c landing warrants a re-roll?
303 <Ursinha> flacoste, I'll let you know if something weird appears
304 <al-maisan> cprov i snot here
305 <al-maisan> is not here
306 <Ursinha> flacoste, I guess cprov is out
307 <Ursinha> as al-maisan said :)
308 <al-maisan> I believe he is collecting his wife from the airport
309 <sinzui> flacoste: nothing from me
310 <al-maisan> I don't know of any rc's in Soyuz land
311 <Ursinha> al-maisan, do you know if he will return?
312 <al-maisan> Ursinha: he certaily will .. the question is when :)
313 <Ursinha> lol
314 <Ursinha> sorry
315 <al-maisan> *certainly*
316 <Ursinha> I mean today
317 <flacoste> the landing was about:
318 <flacoste> Clearer PPA signing key UID format
319 <flacoste> ('Launchpad %(ppa.title)s').
320 <Ursinha> al-maisan, https://dev.launchpad.net/SoyuzTestPlan/2.1.12
321 <Ursinha> the items needstesting in there
322 <Ursinha> I guess
323 * al-maisan takes a look
324 <Ursinha> the one flacoste pointed
325 <Ursinha> exactly :)
326 <flacoste> Ursinha: ok, so i'll postpone the decision for a re-roll to the investigation of the OOPs and cprov prodiving info on the branch
327 <Ursinha> flacoste, okay
328 <al-maisan> re. cprov, he is also not feeling well today .. he might have to go and see a doctor
329 <Ursinha> worth a quick call to him?
330 <Ursinha> very quick
331 <al-maisan> what do you mean?
332 <Ursinha> or asking kiko maybe
333 <al-maisan> call him on the phone?
334 <Ursinha> al-maisan, yes, the old technology
335 <Ursinha> :)
336 <al-maisan> kiko is travelling
337 <Ursinha> so we have no way out
338 <Ursinha> flacoste, what do you suggest?
339 <flacoste> Ursinha, al-maisan: i'll call his cell
340 <Ursinha> flacoste, great, thanks
341 <Ursinha> anything else?
342 <al-maisan> why is the call necessary?
343 <al-maisan> what is the matter of urgency?
344 <flacoste> al-maisan: to decide if we are doing another roll-out today or not
345 <Ursinha> to decide about the re-roll
346 <Ursinha> yes
347 <flacoste> al-maisan: iow, does this branch needs to be in production
348 <al-maisan> this one: r7471 [testfix][release-critical] Fixing test failure in the previous revision. ?
349 <flacoste> al-maisan: the previous one
350 <Ursinha> al-maisan, no, the previous one
351 <al-maisan> ah, I see.
352 <flacoste> well, both of them actually
353 <flacoste> since they go together :-)
354 <Ursinha> :)
355 <al-maisan> proposal: I will check later to see whether cprov is back on-line
356 <flacoste> al-maisan: cool
357 <al-maisan> if not, I can give him a call and ask the question
358 <Ursinha> al-maisan, alright
359 <Ursinha> thanks
360 <Ursinha> well
361 <Ursinha> anything else?
362 <Ursinha> soooo
363 <Ursinha> Thank you all for attending this week's Launchpad Production Meeting, the last one of the year 2008! Happy Holidays everyone, see you all next year! See the channel topic for the location of the logs.
364 <Ursinha> #endmeeting