= ReviewerMeeting20090107 =

== summary ==

 * starting to think about how to review contributions after open sourcing

== log ==

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Jan 07 10:00:31 <barry>	#startmeeting
Jan 07 10:00:31 <MootBot>	Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is barry.
Jan 07 10:00:31 <MootBot>	Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
Jan 07 10:00:49 <barry>	hi everybody.  happy new year and welcome to the first ameu reviewer's meeting of 2009.  who's here today?
Jan 07 10:00:53 <allenap>	me
Jan 07 10:01:00 <sinzui>	me
Jan 07 10:01:02 <intellectronica>	me
Jan 07 10:01:11 <bac>	me
Jan 07 10:01:31 *	flacoste (n=francis@canonical/launchpad/flacoste) has joined #launchpad-meeting
Jan 07 10:01:40 <flacoste>	me
Jan 07 10:02:05 <barry>	gmb, salgado, and rockstar all send their apologies
Jan 07 10:02:27 <barry>	adeuring: ping
Jan 07 10:02:38 <EdwinGrubbs>	me
Jan 07 10:02:40 <adeuring>	whoops, me
Jan 07 10:02:46 <barry>	bigjools, cprov danilos ping
Jan 07 10:02:58 <bigjools>	moo
Jan 07 10:02:59 <barry>	mars: ping
Jan 07 10:03:04 <bigjools>	cprov is out
Jan 07 10:03:09 <barry>	bigjools: cool, thanks
Jan 07 10:03:38 <mars>	me
Jan 07 10:03:45 <mars>	thanks barry
Jan 07 10:04:02 *	al-maisan (n=al-maisa@p5087C157.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #launchpad-meeting
Jan 07 10:04:42 <barry>	it's a very light agenda for today...
Jan 07 10:04:46 <barry>	[TOPIC] agenda
Jan 07 10:04:47 <MootBot>	New Topic:  agenda
Jan 07 10:04:54 <barry>	 * Roll call
Jan 07 10:04:54 <barry>	 * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda)
Jan 07 10:04:54 <barry>	 * Action items
Jan 07 10:04:54 <barry>	 * Mentoring update
Jan 07 10:05:06 <barry>	[TOPIC] peanut gallery
Jan 07 10:05:07 <MootBot>	New Topic:  peanut gallery
Jan 07 10:05:36 <barry>	i literally have nothing on the agenda for today, so before i get to action items, let me throw it open to the floor.  do you all have any topics you'd like to discuss?
Jan 07 10:06:06 <bigjools>	are we any closer to solving circular imports with the API?
Jan 07 10:06:53 <bigjools>	I guess not :)
Jan 07 10:06:53 <barry>	not from me.  i didn't get a chance to work on that over the break
Jan 07 10:06:56 <barry>	;)
Jan 07 10:08:10 <barry>	one thing i would like people to start thinking about is how (maybe: if :) we're going to do reviews of contributions when we open source lp
Jan 07 10:08:34 <barry>	we don't need to solve that now, but as we get closer i'd like to have a strategy for that
Jan 07 10:09:10 <barry>	ok!
Jan 07 10:09:14 <barry>	[TOPIC] action items
Jan 07 10:09:15 <MootBot>	New Topic:  action items
Jan 07 10:09:21 <barry>	 * barry to look into techniques for eliminating back-patching of schema types (avoiding circular imports)
Jan 07 10:09:24 <barry>	not done
Jan 07 10:09:30 <barry>	 * barry to add `pretty()` functions to reviewers docs
Jan 07 10:09:32 <barry>	not done
Jan 07 10:09:37 <barry>	 * flacoste to work on API reviewer cheat sheet
Jan 07 10:09:51 <flacoste>	not done
Jan 07 10:10:28 <barry>	[TOPIC] mentoring update
Jan 07 10:10:29 <MootBot>	New Topic:  mentoring update
Jan 07 10:10:42 *	barry doesn't even remember who we're still mentoring
Jan 07 10:11:00 *	al-maisan is mentored by gmb
Jan 07 10:11:13 <barry>	al-maisan, gmb how are things going?
Jan 07 10:11:36 <barry>	of course gmb isn't here, so al-maisan you can rip on him if you want :)
Jan 07 10:11:36 <allenap>	I'm mentoring abel.
Jan 07 10:11:46 <allenap>	He's brilliant :)
Jan 07 10:11:56 <barry>	excellent!
Jan 07 10:11:56 <adeuring>	allenap: uh, thanks !
Jan 07 10:12:02 <al-maisan>	I did reviews on two Mondays and these went reasonably well.
Jan 07 10:12:29 <bigjools>	allenap: so you might say he's very abel to do his job
Jan 07 10:12:35 <barry>	har har
Jan 07 10:12:55 *	bigjools is here all week, enjoy the buffet
Jan 07 10:13:03 <al-maisan>	On some of the days I had a lot of work to do and didn't do any reviews.
Jan 07 10:13:19 <al-maisan>	I guess that somewhat of a general "problem"
Jan 07 10:13:20 <barry>	bigjools: don't forget to tip your bartenders
Jan 07 10:13:33 <al-maisan>	*that's*
Jan 07 10:13:36 <barry>	al-maisan: yep, that's the way it goes sometimes
Jan 07 10:14:01 <barry>	btw, we have some new padders who might make good mentats
Jan 07 10:14:25 <allenap>	bigjools: Oh my. Couldn't you have taken some more holiday?
Jan 07 10:14:44 <barry>	should we roust up a fresh batch of noobs?
Jan 07 10:14:51 <allenap>	bigjools: Or maybe that would make it worse :)
Jan 07 10:15:10 <barry>	:)
Jan 07 10:15:13 <bigjools>	barry: I was thinking that we have particularly good community contributions we can turn them into reviewers
Jan 07 10:15:42 <bigjools>	allenap: it can get worse? :)
Jan 07 10:15:45 <barry>	bigjools: kind of like for bzr?
Jan 07 10:15:59 <bigjools>	dunno how bzr works
Jan 07 10:16:21 *	barry should have pinged abentley
Jan 07 10:16:23 <bigjools>	and maybe commit access when people have built up trust
Jan 07 10:17:18 <barry>	one thing though: we'll have to be careful about keeping the overall vision reins so things don't get committed that we're not cool with
Jan 07 10:17:19 <intellectronica>	i think best is to first require contributors to arrange a sponsor, and then pick good contributors to get commit access
Jan 07 10:18:44 <bigjools>	yep
Jan 07 10:18:50 <barry>	+1
Jan 07 10:18:54 <bigjools>	like I said, they'll need to build trust first
Jan 07 10:19:17 <intellectronica>	where a sponsor is someone you talk to before starting to work on something, when you get it to review and when it's time to commit
Jan 07 10:20:42 <barry>	btw, internally, i think henning, gary and noodles are available for mentoring
Jan 07 10:21:08 <barry>	but they may need a little more baking (or in noodle's case, boiling)
Jan 07 10:22:27 <barry>	well.  maybe that's it for today.  i've got nothing. shall we end early?
Jan 07 10:22:46 <barry>	5
Jan 07 10:23:00 <barry>	4
Jan 07 10:23:15 <barry>	3
Jan 07 10:23:21 <barry>	2
Jan 07 10:23:24 <barry>	1
Jan 07 10:23:27 <barry>	#endmeeting
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