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22-07-2009 10:00:18 > barry: #startmeeting
22-07-2009 10:00:19 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is barry.
22-07-2009 10:00:19 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
22-07-2009 10:00:41 > barry: hello everyone and welcome to this week's ameu reviewers meeting.  who's here today?
22-07-2009 10:00:43 < allenap!n=gavin@89.16.172.38: me
22-07-2009 10:00:44 < noodles!n=miken@canonical/launchpad/noodles775: me
22-07-2009 10:00:44 < mars!n=mars@canonical/launchpad/mars: me
22-07-2009 10:00:53 < bac!n=bac@canonical/launchpad/bac: me
22-07-2009 10:00:57 < bigjools!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/bigjools: me
22-07-2009 10:01:14 -!- abentley!n=abentley@CPE001a7046c8f9-CM001e6b233d5a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com has joined #launchpad-meeting
22-07-2009 10:01:23 < adeuring!n=abel@p4FC545A6.dip.t-dialin.net: me
22-07-2009 10:01:24 < henninge!n=henning@f054121014.adsl.alicedsl.de: ms
22-07-2009 10:01:26 < henninge!n=henning@f054121014.adsl.alicedsl.de: me
22-07-2009 10:01:27 < abentley!n=abentley@CPE001a7046c8f9-CM001e6b233d5a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com: me
22-07-2009 10:01:32 -!- deryck!n=deryck@samba/team/deryck has joined #launchpad-meeting
22-07-2009 10:01:32 < salgado!n=salgado@canonical/launchpad/salgado: me
22-07-2009 10:02:01 < leonardr!n=leonardr@canonical/launchpad/leonardr: me
22-07-2009 10:02:20 < deryck!n=deryck@samba/team/deryck: me
22-07-2009 10:02:31 > barry: jtv, intellectronica ping
22-07-2009 10:02:39 < jtv!n=jtv@125.25.145.74.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net: barry: pong
22-07-2009 10:02:40 < jtv!n=jtv@125.25.145.74.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net: me
22-07-2009 10:02:52 > barry: cprov, BjornT_ sinzui ping
22-07-2009 10:02:59 < cprov!n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov: me
22-07-2009 10:03:06 < BjornT_!n=bjorn@78-60-71-79.static.zebra.lt: me
22-07-2009 10:03:10 < EdwinGrubbs!n=egrubbs@66-90-254-166.dyn.grandenetworks.net: me
22-07-2009 10:03:15 < sinzui!n=sinzui@pool-71-178-242-15.washdc.fios.verizon.net: me
22-07-2009 10:03:18 > barry: rockstar: ping
22-07-2009 10:03:32 > barry: gmb: ping
22-07-2009 10:03:37 < gmb!n=gmb@seagoon.grahambinns.com: me
22-07-2009 10:03:40 > barry: [TOPIC] agenda
22-07-2009 10:03:41 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: New Topic:  agenda
22-07-2009 10:03:48 > barry:  * Roll call
22-07-2009 10:03:48 > barry:  * bac to chair for the next two weeks - barry
22-07-2009 10:03:48 > barry:  * Action items
22-07-2009 10:03:48 > barry:  * Mentoring update
22-07-2009 10:03:52 > barry:  * deryck graduates
22-07-2009 10:03:55 > barry:  * Alphabetical sorts are case sensitive? insensitive? - barry
22-07-2009 10:03:58 > barry:  * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda)
22-07-2009 10:04:01 > barry:  
22-07-2009 10:04:07 > barry: [TOPIC] bac to chair for the next two weeks - barry
22-07-2009 10:04:07 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: New Topic:  bac to chair for the next two weeks - barry
22-07-2009 10:04:27 > barry: so i will not be at these meetings for the next two weeks.  bac will chair them in my absence
22-07-2009 10:04:39 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: me
22-07-2009 10:04:46 > barry: bac: thanks!
22-07-2009 10:04:51 < bac!n=bac@canonical/launchpad/bac: np
22-07-2009 10:04:56 > barry: [TOPIC]  * Action items
22-07-2009 10:04:56 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: New Topic:   * Action items
22-07-2009 10:05:04 > barry:  * deryck to update js wiki page with recommendations on loading js files in devmode only
22-07-2009 10:05:35 < deryck!n=deryck@samba/team/deryck: did it yesterday. :)
22-07-2009 10:05:42 > barry: deryck: awesome, thanks
22-07-2009 10:05:46 < deryck!n=deryck@samba/team/deryck: np
22-07-2009 10:05:54 > barry:  * gmb to update style guides to clarify that `reST` is to be used in doctests, with existing pages to be converted at coder's discretion
22-07-2009 10:05:59 < gmb!n=gmb@seagoon.grahambinns.com: Done.
22-07-2009 10:06:13 > barry: fantastic!  can we keep this momentum going?
22-07-2009 10:06:20 < gmb!n=gmb@seagoon.grahambinns.com: Though I'm going to reword it to make the second part a bit more explicity.
22-07-2009 10:06:38 < * gmb!n=gmb@seagoon.grahambinns.com has a new hobby - adjectifying adjectives.
22-07-2009 10:06:41 > barry: cool
22-07-2009 10:06:43 > barry:  * flacoste to update reviewer docs and dev wiki about avoiding permission explosions
22-07-2009 10:07:15 > barry: oops, looks like we're missing flacoste and gary
22-07-2009 10:07:17 < bigjools!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/bigjools: autofail, he's not here
22-07-2009 10:07:19 < mars!n=mars@canonical/launchpad/mars: barry, flacoste is on vacation this week
22-07-2009 10:07:27 > barry: ah thx
22-07-2009 10:07:28 < mars!n=mars@canonical/launchpad/mars: and gary is at OSCON
22-07-2009 10:07:30 > barry: thx
22-07-2009 10:07:32 < bac!n=bac@canonical/launchpad/bac: flacoste did add that page
22-07-2009 10:07:43 > barry: bac: super
22-07-2009 10:07:57 > barry: [TOPIC] mentoring updates
22-07-2009 10:07:57 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: New Topic:  mentoring updates
22-07-2009 10:07:57 < bac!n=bac@canonical/launchpad/bac: and, it turns out, the example he cited of permission explosion was actually necessary...
22-07-2009 10:08:20 > barry: bac: oh!  did he talk about that in the wiki?
22-07-2009 10:08:36 < bac!n=bac@canonical/launchpad/bac: no.  the lesson still stands...
22-07-2009 10:08:43 > barry: cool
22-07-2009 10:09:10 > barry: so.  everyone, please congratulate deryck on his graduation to full-fledged reviewership!
22-07-2009 10:09:21 < * bigjools!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/bigjools hi-5s deryck
22-07-2009 10:09:33 < * deryck!n=deryck@samba/team/deryck hi-5s bigjools back
22-07-2009 10:09:40 > barry: deryck: i heard glowing reports of your reviews.  i think you graduated in record time.  great job! :)
22-07-2009 10:09:51 < deryck!n=deryck@samba/team/deryck: barry, I feel so grown up now. :)
22-07-2009 10:09:56 > barry: and thanks gmb for your mentoring
22-07-2009 10:10:09 < noodles!n=miken@canonical/launchpad/noodles775: Congrats deryck!
22-07-2009 10:10:14 < deryck!n=deryck@samba/team/deryck: yes gmb rocks as a mentor
22-07-2009 10:10:14 < * gmb!n=gmb@seagoon.grahambinns.com applauds
22-07-2009 10:10:28 < gmb!n=gmb@seagoon.grahambinns.com: deryck: Only when the student doesn't actually need all that much mentoring :)
22-07-2009 10:10:31 > barry: deryck: remember that you can now switch ocr days if you want.  just ping me in email or pvtmsg to work out any day changes
22-07-2009 10:10:57 < deryck!n=deryck@samba/team/deryck: barry, ok, will do.  I'm flexible about that and happy to do whatever day is best for others.
22-07-2009 10:11:15 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: congratulations deryck!!!
22-07-2009 10:11:28 > barry: one other quick note: rockstar is out tomorrow, so i will be switching my ocr this week from friday to thursday so that i can mentor leonardr
22-07-2009 10:12:13 > barry: any other mentoring issues today?
22-07-2009 10:12:40 > barry: moving on then
22-07-2009 10:12:44 > barry: [TOPIC]  * Alphabetical sorts are case sensitive? insensitive? - barry
22-07-2009 10:12:46 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: New Topic:   * Alphabetical sorts are case sensitive? insensitive? - barry
22-07-2009 10:13:06 > barry: so, in __all__ and a few other places, we want lines to be sorted
22-07-2009 10:13:07 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: insensitive
22-07-2009 10:13:27 < sinzui!n=sinzui@pool-71-178-242-15.washdc.fios.verizon.net: insensative
22-07-2009 10:13:30 > barry: we are currently inconsistent about this.  so i'd like to hear opinions
22-07-2009 10:13:39 < bigjools!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/bigjools: insensitive
22-07-2009 10:13:41 < abentley!n=abentley@CPE001a7046c8f9-CM001e6b233d5a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com: insensitive
22-07-2009 10:13:50 < henninge!n=henning@f054121014.adsl.alicedsl.de: insensitive
22-07-2009 10:14:04 < allenap!n=gavin@89.16.172.38: UCA
22-07-2009 10:14:04 < * henninge!n=henning@f054121014.adsl.alicedsl.de wonders if we are an insensitive bunch ...
22-07-2009 10:14:07 < * jtv!n=jtv@125.25.145.74.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net feels particularly insensitive
22-07-2009 10:14:16 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: allenap: what does uca stand for?
22-07-2009 10:14:23 < jtv!n=jtv@125.25.145.74.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net: Unicode Collation Algorithm?
22-07-2009 10:14:28 < adeuring!n=abel@p4FC545A6.dip.t-dialin.net: the nice thing about case-sensitive sorting is the emacs helper we have
22-07-2009 10:14:29 > barry: ouch
22-07-2009 10:14:29 < allenap!n=gavin@89.16.172.38: jtv: Yep.
22-07-2009 10:14:35 < noodles!n=miken@canonical/launchpad/noodles775: By insensitive, do we mean: from blah import Apples, apple, Banana, banana
22-07-2009 10:14:37 > barry: adeuring: agreed
22-07-2009 10:14:39 < adeuring!n=abel@p4FC545A6.dip.t-dialin.net: ...for sorting imports
22-07-2009 10:14:45 < allenap!n=gavin@89.16.172.38: I know next to nothing about it though! :)
22-07-2009 10:14:46 < bac!n=bac@canonical/launchpad/bac: adeuring: yes.
22-07-2009 10:14:59 > barry: also M-x sort-lines is case sensitive by default :)
22-07-2009 10:15:07 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: noodles: that's already theology, but yes, i guess caps first makes sense
22-07-2009 10:15:16 < noodles!n=miken@canonical/launchpad/noodles775: lol
22-07-2009 10:15:17 < jtv!n=jtv@125.25.145.74.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net: allenap: don't need to, it's mostly about nasty stuff like I/i with/without dots and weird orders of reading a string.
22-07-2009 10:15:48 < allenap!n=gavin@89.16.172.38: jtv: I didn't realise at first that we were talking just about module imports and the like. Doh.
22-07-2009 10:16:07 < allenap!n=gavin@89.16.172.38: ECU - Emacs Collation Algorithm.
22-07-2009 10:16:22 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: Ulgorithm
22-07-2009 10:16:32 < allenap!n=gavin@89.16.172.38: Crap.
22-07-2009 10:16:47 > barry: so, am i alone in wanting case sensitive sorting? ;)
22-07-2009 10:16:51 < jtv!n=jtv@125.25.145.74.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net: I still prefer insensitive... is emacs being sensitive because it just is, or because people are running it in C locale?
22-07-2009 10:17:00 < adeuring!n=abel@p4FC545A6.dip.t-dialin.net: barry: me too ;)
22-07-2009 10:17:27 > barry: jtv: it's just case sensitive by default.  you have to (setq sort-fold-case t) to make it otherwise
22-07-2009 10:17:39 < bac!n=bac@canonical/launchpad/bac: i'm for sensitive but mainly due to the tools...
22-07-2009 10:18:05 > barry: this is one place i /would/ like to be consistent so we don't end up in line sorting churn
22-07-2009 10:18:07 < BjornT_!n=bjorn@78-60-71-79.static.zebra.lt: bac: !sort in vim is case insensitive
22-07-2009 10:18:18 < bigjools!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/bigjools: heh
22-07-2009 10:18:27 > barry: BjornT_: is this going to be an emacs vs vim fight? :)
22-07-2009 10:18:30 < jtv!n=jtv@125.25.145.74.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net: I've been doing insensitive...  for me converting what you already have is usually more important than Making a Decision.
22-07-2009 10:18:31 < bac!n=bac@canonical/launchpad/bac: BjornT_: i should have said "my tools" but let's not go there.
22-07-2009 10:18:50 < allenap!n=gavin@89.16.172.38: Sensitive, so classes get sorted separately from functions.
22-07-2009 10:19:04 > barry: allenap: oh.  nice point!
22-07-2009 10:19:05 < cprov!n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov: allenap: that's a good point.
22-07-2009 10:19:28 < allenap!n=gavin@89.16.172.38: Finally, I say something that makes sense. Phew.
22-07-2009 10:19:34 > barry: :-D
22-07-2009 10:19:40 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: tools aside, anything but case-insensitive is harder for humans to work with. we should optimize for that
22-07-2009 10:19:50 < noodles!n=miken@canonical/launchpad/noodles775: +1
22-07-2009 10:19:52 > barry: intellectronica: python is case sensitive :)
22-07-2009 10:19:53 < abentley!n=abentley@CPE001a7046c8f9-CM001e6b233d5a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com: allenap: But just in the context of imports and __all__, not in the body of the file?
22-07-2009 10:20:11 > barry: abentley: gawd no
22-07-2009 10:20:16 -!- salgado_!n=salgado@201.17.69.194 has joined #launchpad-meeting
22-07-2009 10:20:27 < allenap!n=gavin@89.16.172.38: abentley: Yeah, that's true. I tend to like putting functions at the top.
22-07-2009 10:20:38 < noodles!n=miken@canonical/launchpad/noodles775: barry: but you are not a python interpreter ;)
22-07-2009 10:20:47 > barry: noodles: you're sure about that?
22-07-2009 10:20:54 < bigjools!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/bigjools: barry: start a vote so we can move on!
22-07-2009 10:21:01 > barry: bigjools: fantastic idea
22-07-2009 10:21:19 < allenap!n=gavin@89.16.172.38: barry can already run the python 4.0 bytecode.
22-07-2009 10:21:19 < sinzui!n=sinzui@pool-71-178-242-15.washdc.fios.verizon.net: I wish I could find this discussion from two years ago. This is not the first time we have discussed this
22-07-2009 10:21:28 < noodles!n=miken@canonical/launchpad/noodles775: lol
22-07-2009 10:21:29 > barry: #startvote sort __all__ and similar case insensitive = -1, case sensitive = +1
22-07-2009 10:21:30 < jtv!n=jtv@125.25.145.74.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net: guys, no Turing tests here please
22-07-2009 10:21:31 < bigjools!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/bigjools: yeah I have deja vu
22-07-2009 10:21:38 > barry: #startvote
22-07-2009 10:21:42 < adeuring!n=abel@p4FC545A6.dip.t-dialin.net: +1
22-07-2009 10:21:43 < sinzui!n=sinzui@pool-71-178-242-15.washdc.fios.verizon.net: -1
22-07-2009 10:21:43 < jtv!n=jtv@125.25.145.74.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net: 0
22-07-2009 10:21:45 < bac!n=bac@canonical/launchpad/bac: +1
22-07-2009 10:21:45 < cprov!n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov: +1
22-07-2009 10:21:46 < allenap!n=gavin@89.16.172.38: +1
22-07-2009 10:21:47 < bigjools!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/bigjools: botfail
22-07-2009 10:21:50 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: -1
22-07-2009 10:21:51 < noodles!n=miken@canonical/launchpad/noodles775: -1
22-07-2009 10:21:54 < BjornT_!n=bjorn@78-60-71-79.static.zebra.lt: -1
22-07-2009 10:21:57 > barry: hang on folks!
22-07-2009 10:21:59 > barry: [VOTE]
22-07-2009 10:22:00 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: Please vote on: .
22-07-2009 10:22:00 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
22-07-2009 10:22:00 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #launchpad-meeting
22-07-2009 10:22:05 > barry: okay, now!
22-07-2009 10:22:05 < allenap!n=gavin@89.16.172.38: +1
22-07-2009 10:22:06 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: +1 received from allenap. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
22-07-2009 10:22:07 < gmb!n=gmb@seagoon.grahambinns.com: +1
22-07-2009 10:22:08 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: +1 received from gmb. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
22-07-2009 10:22:08 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: -1
22-07-2009 10:22:09 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: -1 received from intellectronica. 2 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
22-07-2009 10:22:09 > barry: +1
22-07-2009 10:22:10 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: +1 received from barry. 3 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
22-07-2009 10:22:10 < cprov!n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov: +1
22-07-2009 10:22:10 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: +1 received from cprov. 4 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
22-07-2009 10:22:10 < BjornT_!n=bjorn@78-60-71-79.static.zebra.lt: -1
22-07-2009 10:22:11 < bac!n=bac@canonical/launchpad/bac: +1
22-07-2009 10:22:11 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: -1 received from BjornT_. 4 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
22-07-2009 10:22:11 < jtv!n=jtv@125.25.145.74.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net: 0
22-07-2009 10:22:12 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: +1 received from bac. 5 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
22-07-2009 10:22:12 < noodles!n=miken@canonical/launchpad/noodles775: -1
22-07-2009 10:22:12 < sinzui!n=sinzui@pool-71-178-242-15.washdc.fios.verizon.net: -1
22-07-2009 10:22:14 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: -1 received from noodles. 5 for, 3 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
22-07-2009 10:22:16 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: -1 received from sinzui. 5 for, 4 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
22-07-2009 10:22:21 < jtv!n=jtv@125.25.145.74.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net: +0
22-07-2009 10:22:21 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: Abstention received from jtv. 5 for, 4 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
22-07-2009 10:22:22 < abentley!n=abentley@CPE001a7046c8f9-CM001e6b233d5a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com: +1
22-07-2009 10:22:22 < bigjools!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/bigjools: -1
22-07-2009 10:22:22 < adeuring!n=abel@p4FC545A6.dip.t-dialin.net: +1
22-07-2009 10:22:22 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: +1 received from abentley. 6 for, 4 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
22-07-2009 10:22:22 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: -1 received from bigjools. 6 for, 5 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
22-07-2009 10:22:24 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: +1 received from adeuring. 7 for, 5 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
22-07-2009 10:22:28 < salgado_!n=salgado@201.17.69.194: -1
22-07-2009 10:22:28 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: -1 received from salgado_. 7 for, 6 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
22-07-2009 10:22:31 < henninge!n=henning@f054121014.adsl.alicedsl.de: -1
22-07-2009 10:22:31 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: -1 received from henninge. 7 for, 7 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0
22-07-2009 10:22:33 < deryck!n=deryck@samba/team/deryck: +1
22-07-2009 10:22:33 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: +1 received from deryck. 8 for, 7 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
22-07-2009 10:22:38 < bigjools!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/bigjools: jtv you meanie
22-07-2009 10:22:44 > * barry is on the edge of his seat!
22-07-2009 10:22:47 < gmb!n=gmb@seagoon.grahambinns.com: This is the tensest vote evar.
22-07-2009 10:22:48 < mars!n=mars@canonical/launchpad/mars: 0
22-07-2009 10:22:58 < sinzui!n=sinzui@pool-71-178-242-15.washdc.fios.verizon.net: flacoste is a vim users and a human being: he would vote -1
22-07-2009 10:22:59 < jtv!n=jtv@125.25.145.74.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net: bigjools: I _honestly_ _don't_ _care_
22-07-2009 10:22:59 < bigjools!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/bigjools: agh another fence-sitter!
22-07-2009 10:23:18 < abentley!n=abentley@CPE001a7046c8f9-CM001e6b233d5a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com: -1
22-07-2009 10:23:18 > barry: yeah, but gary would definitely vote +1 <wink>
22-07-2009 10:23:22 < gmb!n=gmb@seagoon.grahambinns.com: I'm a vim user and a human being... I vote +1
22-07-2009 10:23:25 < sinzui!n=sinzui@pool-71-178-242-15.washdc.fios.verizon.net: kiko is also a vim user, he will vote -1
22-07-2009 10:23:30 < gmb!n=gmb@seagoon.grahambinns.com: Well, I'm a vim user...
22-07-2009 10:23:32 < bigjools!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/bigjools: haha
22-07-2009 10:23:43 < sinzui!n=sinzui@pool-71-178-242-15.washdc.fios.verizon.net: gmb: you have issues. I don't think we need to bring them up now.
22-07-2009 10:23:44 < jtv!n=jtv@125.25.145.74.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net: And I still say what we decide here doesn't matter that much unless we clean up what we already have.
22-07-2009 10:23:52 < bigjools!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/bigjools: abentley: you already voted +1!
22-07-2009 10:23:53 < gmb!n=gmb@seagoon.grahambinns.com: Touche.
22-07-2009 10:24:17 < bigjools!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/bigjools: I prefer to use an editor, not an OS
22-07-2009 10:24:19 < * bigjools!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/bigjools hides
22-07-2009 10:24:21 < abentley!n=abentley@CPE001a7046c8f9-CM001e6b233d5a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com: bigjools: Yes, but the vote was unspecified, so I assumed we were voting for insensitive.
22-07-2009 10:24:22 > barry: abentley: mootbot is stricter than the florida election committee
22-07-2009 10:24:35 < allenap!n=gavin@89.16.172.38: vim is an OS. A DOS-era OS.
22-07-2009 10:24:36 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: aha, i abentley changed his vote that changes the picture
22-07-2009 10:24:39 < * allenap!n=gavin@89.16.172.38 ducks
22-07-2009 10:24:57 > barry: well, don't forget asiapac has to weigh in
22-07-2009 10:25:03 < bigjools!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/bigjools: since it's so close, I vote we leave it *random*
22-07-2009 10:25:12 > barry: bigjools: perfect!
22-07-2009 10:25:17 < bac!n=bac@canonical/launchpad/bac: jml, mwh will definitely +1
22-07-2009 10:25:17 < bigjools!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/bigjools: :)
22-07-2009 10:25:26 < allenap!n=gavin@89.16.172.38: bigjools: +1, and if it's at least sorted one way or the other, don't change it.
22-07-2009 10:25:28 > barry: bac: yeah, i think so
22-07-2009 10:25:40 > barry: #endvote
22-07-2009 10:25:43 < bigjools!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/bigjools: yep, on reflection I think this is a pointless debate
22-07-2009 10:25:50 < noodles!n=miken@canonical/launchpad/noodles775: yap
22-07-2009 10:26:13 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: bigjools: it's not. if we could avoid the editor wars and make a decision it would be good to have a standard on that
22-07-2009 10:26:17 < jtv!n=jtv@125.25.145.74.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net: What's already there generally overrules what is decided somewhere, and I don't think this is worth a cleanup effort.
22-07-2009 10:26:39 > barry: we're about evenly divided anyway.  i'll consult with asiapac and see where we stand, then make an announcement later today
22-07-2009 10:26:40 < bigjools!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/bigjools: intellectronica: in the grand scheme of things, it's not that important IMO
22-07-2009 10:26:56 < sinzui!n=sinzui@pool-71-178-242-15.washdc.fios.verizon.net: If only barry had thought to include his editor's behaviour into PEP8
22-07-2009 10:26:56 -!- salgado!n=salgado@canonical/launchpad/salgado has quit [Nick collision from services.]
22-07-2009 10:27:01 -!- salgado_ is now known as salgado
22-07-2009 10:27:12 > * barry looks around for the time machine keys
22-07-2009 10:27:23 > barry: anyway.  that's all i have on my list, so now...
22-07-2009 10:27:28 > barry: [TOPIC] peanut gallery
22-07-2009 10:27:29 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: Vote is in progress. Finishing now.
22-07-2009 10:27:29 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: Final result is 8 for, 7 against. 1 abstained. Total: 1
22-07-2009 10:27:29 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: New Topic:  peanut gallery
22-07-2009 10:27:31 < sinzui!n=sinzui@pool-71-178-242-15.washdc.fios.verizon.net: I have a sonic screw driver in my hand roght now
22-07-2009 10:27:42 > barry: any topics you might have that are not on the agenda?
22-07-2009 10:27:45 < mars!n=mars@canonical/launchpad/mars: +1 for Doctor Who references
22-07-2009 10:27:52 < jtv!n=jtv@125.25.145.74.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net: sinzui: pour me one too please
22-07-2009 10:27:56 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: did we ever decide how to get new contributors in?
22-07-2009 10:28:07 < * sinzui!n=sinzui@pool-71-178-242-15.washdc.fios.verizon.net really does have a sonic screwdriver
22-07-2009 10:28:13 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: do they do normal reviews?
22-07-2009 10:28:33 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: are we going to put something in place to guide them through the development process, pre-imp-->landing ?
22-07-2009 10:28:40 > barry: intellectronica: yes, i think so, with a dedicated shepherd to help them through the process.
22-07-2009 10:28:53 > barry: intellectronica: i will write up a proposal for this
22-07-2009 10:29:15 > barry: [ACTION] barry to write a proposal about guiding new outside contributors
22-07-2009 10:29:15 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: ACTION received:  barry to write a proposal about guiding new outside contributors
22-07-2009 10:29:23 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: so the current recommendation, if anyone wants to start working on lp branches is to find a mentor who will guide them through the process?
22-07-2009 10:29:29 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: i think that's a good way to do this
22-07-2009 10:29:34 < sinzui!n=sinzui@pool-71-178-242-15.washdc.fios.verizon.net: I think our current process of hack on code for 3 months, then being mentat training will work fine
22-07-2009 10:29:37 < bigjools!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/bigjools: barry: how much more info than the existing wiki page do you plan on adding?
22-07-2009 10:29:45 < adeuring!n=abel@p4FC545A6.dip.t-dialin.net: i think if somebody just sends a little bug fix, but clearly says that he sodes not want to get closer invloved, we should not require the regular proceure
22-07-2009 10:29:58 < adeuring!n=abel@p4FC545A6.dip.t-dialin.net: s/sodes/does/
22-07-2009 10:29:59 < jtv!n=jtv@125.25.145.74.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net: Let's not re-use "mentor" here...
22-07-2009 10:30:04 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: sinzui: oh, i'm not talking about becoming reviewers, but about getting branches in
22-07-2009 10:30:13 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: we can worry about that later
22-07-2009 10:30:16 > barry: sinzui: agreed
22-07-2009 10:30:24 < sinzui!n=sinzui@pool-71-178-242-15.washdc.fios.verizon.net: intellectronica: my bad
22-07-2009 10:30:27 > barry: bigjools: i don't know i have to review what we've got ;)
22-07-2009 10:30:40 < bigjools!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/bigjools: https://dev.launchpad.net/PatchSubmission
22-07-2009 10:30:45 > barry: jtv: right, "shepherd" is what i've been using, but maybe not a great term
22-07-2009 10:30:56 < abentley!n=abentley@CPE001a7046c8f9-CM001e6b233d5a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com: What about this policy that we're not supposed to put procedures on the dev wiki?  I think it would make a lot of sense to put all the procedures we can on the dev wiki.
22-07-2009 10:31:23 > barry: abentley: this is process that directly involves the community now, so definitely dev wiki
22-07-2009 10:31:27 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: i think it would be good to emphasize the importance of getting a mentor before starting the work, but other than that it looks perfect
22-07-2009 10:31:42 > barry: bigjools: thanks, i'll review that
22-07-2009 10:31:49 < gmb!n=gmb@seagoon.grahambinns.com: Didn't we rip out hte mentorship code for bugs? Shame...
22-07-2009 10:32:21 < adeuring!n=abel@p4FC545A6.dip.t-dialin.net: how do we know if somebody signed the contributor's agreement?
22-07-2009 10:32:58 > barry: adeuring: and once they sign it, can they land branches into pqm directly?
22-07-2009 10:33:02 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: we could add everyone who did to a team when they send it
22-07-2009 10:33:17 < gmb!n=gmb@seagoon.grahambinns.com: barry: That would be dangerous.
22-07-2009 10:33:26 < gmb!n=gmb@seagoon.grahambinns.com: potentially, anyway.
22-07-2009 10:33:50 > barry: gmb: well, signing it is a necessary but not sufficient condition!
22-07-2009 10:33:59 < adeuring!n=abel@p4FC545A6.dip.t-dialin.net: barry: we're testing via EC2, so I think one of us needs to do that.
22-07-2009 10:34:01 < gmb!n=gmb@seagoon.grahambinns.com: barry: Okay, agreed.
22-07-2009 10:34:29 > barry: adeuring: meaning, our outside contributors can't run through ec2?  i guess there's the little matter of cost
22-07-2009 10:34:34 < jtv!n=jtv@125.25.145.74.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net: barry: just remembered the term I had in mind: "sponsor."
22-07-2009 10:34:44 < adeuring!n=abel@p4FC545A6.dip.t-dialin.net: barry: yes, that's what I meant
22-07-2009 10:34:45 < bigjools!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/bigjools: make check *cough*
22-07-2009 10:34:48 < gmb!n=gmb@seagoon.grahambinns.com: jtv: +1
22-07-2009 10:34:56 < noodles!n=miken@canonical/launchpad/noodles775: +1 for sponsor
22-07-2009 10:35:03 < gmb!n=gmb@seagoon.grahambinns.com: bigjools: make computer_melt
22-07-2009 10:35:06 > barry: jtv: nice
22-07-2009 10:35:13 < bigjools!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/bigjools: gmb: speak for yourself!
22-07-2009 10:35:28 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: i think mentor is better because it communicates that you will get help from the person through the entire process
22-07-2009 10:35:35 < sinzui!n=sinzui@pool-71-178-242-15.washdc.fios.verizon.net: adeuring: The CoC code is generic. We just assume it is The ubuntu code co conduct in the UI. We will update the CoC UI to support mutilple signings
22-07-2009 10:36:00 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: i think that's very important because i worry that people will come, out of the blue, with branches they want merged, and will be dissapointed when we have to reject them for whatever reason
22-07-2009 10:36:24 > barry: let's take further discussions of this to the new public mailing list, and i will take the action item to collect feedback and update wiki pages
22-07-2009 10:37:14 > barry: intellectronica: we need to triage branches early.  people may submit things we won't ever care about (e.g. convert all lp code to perl :).  we should let them know this early in the process so they don't waste their time
22-07-2009 10:37:18 < jtv!n=jtv@125.25.145.74.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net: intellectronica: a sponsor is also supposed to go to bat for you.  But we've already had confusion over this, might as well keep separate terms.
22-07-2009 10:37:38 > barry: intellectronica: the beauty of course, is that we're free software now
22-07-2009 10:37:43 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: barry: exactly
22-07-2009 10:38:38 > barry: cool.  7 minutes left.  anything more on this or any other topic?
22-07-2009 10:39:19 < jtv!n=jtv@125.25.145.74.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net: ceterum censeo carthaginem esse delendam
22-07-2009 10:39:40 > barry: i believe we are done then
22-07-2009 10:39:43 > barry: #endmeeting

asiapac

22-07-2009 18:30:24 > barry: #startmeeting
22-07-2009 18:30:24 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: Meeting started at 17:30. The chair is barry.
22-07-2009 18:30:24 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
22-07-2009 18:30:28 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: thumper, I was actually singing the Bob Dylan song that features in the Big Lebowski
22-07-2009 18:30:37 > barry: jml, thumper, mwhudson howdy
22-07-2009 18:30:41 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: barry, hi
22-07-2009 18:30:44 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: hi
22-07-2009 18:30:52 > barry: jml: i am loving erc :)
22-07-2009 18:31:07 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: erc?
22-07-2009 18:31:12 > barry: emacs irc client
22-07-2009 18:31:27 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: barry, :(
22-07-2009 18:31:36 > barry: jml: no.  :)
22-07-2009 18:31:47 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: barry, last time I used erc, I accidentally ended up editing other people's nicks.
22-07-2009 18:31:56 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: heh
22-07-2009 18:31:58 > barry: ouch
22-07-2009 18:32:02 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: when I wasn't blocked on network io
22-07-2009 18:32:16 > barry: i hook it up to bip so it's fast
22-07-2009 18:32:31 > barry: and isn't hampered by canonical's ssl craziness
22-07-2009 18:32:45 > barry: anyway...
22-07-2009 18:32:50 > barry: quick update and then topics?
22-07-2009 18:33:03 > barry: summary from ameu...
22-07-2009 18:33:08 > barry: deryck graduates
22-07-2009 18:33:29 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: congrats
22-07-2009 18:33:32 > barry: i have an action item to start a discussion about sponsoring contributions from the community
22-07-2009 18:33:55 > barry: and we had a discussion and vote about __all__, etc, sorting, vis case sensitive or insensitive
22-07-2009 18:34:11 > barry: on the latter, without knowing the results of this morning's vote, what say ye?
22-07-2009 18:34:17 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: slow news week, eh?
22-07-2009 18:34:33 > barry: yep
22-07-2009 18:34:35 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: barry, I was told insensitive in the past.
22-07-2009 18:34:42 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: barry, and so that's what I've been doing
22-07-2009 18:34:45 > barry: jml: yes, but what do you /really/ want :)
22-07-2009 18:34:51 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: barry, but I don't have a strong feeling on the matter
22-07-2009 18:35:03 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: barry, as long as it's consistent.
22-07-2009 18:35:16 > barry: jml: agreed.  we don't currently have consistency
22-07-2009 18:35:24 < * jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml would much rather have from foo import (bar,\nbaz,\n) than ordering.
22-07-2009 18:35:31 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: +1 on consistency
22-07-2009 18:35:40 > barry: jml, thumper, mwhudson so if you had to vote, which would it be?
22-07-2009 18:35:47 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: barry, so in that case, I default to everyone else being consistent with what I already do :P
22-07-2009 18:36:07 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: jml: is this alphabetical case sensitivity of imports?
22-07-2009 18:36:08 > barry: jml: in __all__'s do you use M-x sort-lines?
22-07-2009 18:36:12 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: but I might change my vote for a barrel of salted pork.
22-07-2009 18:36:16 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: sorry, barry not jml
22-07-2009 18:36:23 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: thumper, yeah.
22-07-2009 18:36:26 > barry: thumper: yes
22-07-2009 18:36:36 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: barry, umm... no, I think I manually edit.
22-07-2009 18:36:47 < * jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml votes [A, a, B, b, ...]
22-07-2009 18:36:50 > barry: jml: ah
22-07-2009 18:36:50 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: barry: I've not been personally consistent
22-07-2009 18:36:58 > barry: jml: that's case insensitive then
22-07-2009 18:37:07 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: barry, yes
22-07-2009 18:37:08 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: barry: not really
22-07-2009 18:37:22 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: what about [DEF, dab] ?
22-07-2009 18:37:32 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: capitals first or real insensitive?
22-07-2009 18:37:37 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: thumper, that's case sensitive
22-07-2009 18:37:47 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: thumper, [A, B, ..., a, b, ...]
22-07-2009 18:37:57 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: [DEF, dab, EFG, eag]
22-07-2009 18:38:07 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: all caps being special?
22-07-2009 18:38:11 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: *gasp*
22-07-2009 18:38:14 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: possibly?
22-07-2009 18:38:24 > barry: nothing special about it.  ascii sort
22-07-2009 18:38:24 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: I'm abstaining because I really don't care
22-07-2009 18:38:43 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: as long as people are consistent and it is documented
22-07-2009 18:39:07 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: maybe sorting like: sorted(__all__, key=lambda name: sum(map(ord(name))))
22-07-2009 18:39:09 > barry: ok.  and jml votes for insensitive.  mwhudson is silent :)
22-07-2009 18:39:24 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: barry, what was the public vote?
22-07-2009 18:39:52 > barry: jml: it was almost exactly tied.  abentley threw it to the supreme court by changing his vote :)
22-07-2009 18:40:01 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: barry: mwhudson said he had to step away for a few minutes
22-07-2009 18:40:21 < * mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson reappears
22-07-2009 18:40:27 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: barry, so I guess you lean to sensitive sorting because of sort-lines
22-07-2009 18:40:34 > barry: jml: yeah
22-07-2009 18:40:40 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: mwhudson: just in tie for a vote on case sensitivity of import orderings :)
22-07-2009 18:40:43 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: I'll give you what you want, if I can change to...
22-07-2009 18:40:45 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: from foo import (
22-07-2009 18:40:47 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml:   bar,
22-07-2009 18:40:48 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: s/tie/time/
22-07-2009 18:40:49 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml:   baz,
22-07-2009 18:40:50 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: )
22-07-2009 18:41:05 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: I vote for jml's one
22-07-2009 18:41:10 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: less conflicts on merging
22-07-2009 18:41:14 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: thumper: sadly i don't care
22-07-2009 18:41:21 > barry: jml: you mean, one import per line always?
22-07-2009 18:41:43 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: barry: yeah baby, yeah!
22-07-2009 18:41:54 > barry: jml: M-x py-sort-imports :)
22-07-2009 18:42:03 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: tbh
22-07-2009 18:42:14 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: with flymake keeping unnecessary imports out
22-07-2009 18:42:23 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: i just mentally skip over import blocks
22-07-2009 18:42:26 < * jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml agrees
22-07-2009 18:42:29 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: mwhudson: me too
22-07-2009 18:42:39 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: the whole point is avoiding conflicts, in my mind.
22-07-2009 18:42:40 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: it could be formatted in one line using ; for all i care
22-07-2009 18:42:44 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: I tend to skip over them in reviews too
22-07-2009 18:43:10 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: so i think i agree with jml then
22-07-2009 18:43:17 > barry: i've been in import unspaghetti mode today so i can't ignore them.  it's like being hungry when you go food shopping.  all the poptarts and chef boyardee is screaming out to me
22-07-2009 18:43:51 > barry: i hear you about the conflicts
22-07-2009 18:44:11 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: barry: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+bug/402845 ?
22-07-2009 18:44:12 < ubottu!n=supybot@ubuntu/bot/ubottu: Ubuntu bug 402845 in launchpad-registry "./bin/py -c 'from lp.registry.model import person' fails due to circular import" [Undecided,Triaged]
22-07-2009 18:44:13 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: barry: one import per line - true case insensitive sort
22-07-2009 18:44:34 > barry: thumper: gotcha
22-07-2009 18:44:35 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: i believe the 'rope' library has support for automatically managing import sections
22-07-2009 18:44:43 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: but i've never got it working
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22-07-2009 18:45:19 > barry: okay, enough with the trivial stuff.  that is all i have for the summary.  what's on y'alls mind these days?
22-07-2009 18:45:39 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: the code review UI :)
22-07-2009 18:46:15 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: barry, not much of import, but two crazy ideas that someone else might like to take up.
22-07-2009 18:46:32 > barry: thumper: tell me how you will increase its awesomeness
22-07-2009 18:46:45 > barry: jml: let's here it
22-07-2009 18:46:46 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: barry, I'd really love to see a graph of 'branches waiting review' over time, and a graph of 'branches approved to land' over time.
22-07-2009 18:46:47 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: barry: love to, but now is not the time
22-07-2009 18:47:01 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: jml: globally, or for launchpad?
22-07-2009 18:47:16 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: barry, I'd also love to see a distribution chart of time between submitting & landing.
22-07-2009 18:47:21 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: mwhudson, just Launchpad itself.
22-07-2009 18:47:29 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: k
22-07-2009 18:47:56 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: jml: we have date created, date reviewd, date merged :)
22-07-2009 18:48:07 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: thumper, *nod*
22-07-2009 18:48:10 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: I know it's all possible.
22-07-2009 18:48:20 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: I'd be nice to have the graphs on LP actually
22-07-2009 18:48:22 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: for any project
22-07-2009 18:48:31 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: I just haven't had the opportunity to do it, and I've had the idea for months
22-07-2009 18:48:33 < * thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper thinks about this...
22-07-2009 18:48:43 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: so I'm putting it out there for others :)
22-07-2009 18:49:56 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: that's it.
22-07-2009 18:50:02 < jml!n=jml@canonical/launchpad/jml: barry, ^
22-07-2009 18:50:02 > barry: jml: thanks
22-07-2009 18:50:09 > barry: it would be cool
22-07-2009 18:50:20 > barry: mwhudson, thumper anything else?
22-07-2009 18:50:26 < mwhudson!n=mwh@canonical/launchpad/mwhudson: nope
22-07-2009 18:50:31 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: nope
22-07-2009 18:50:34 > barry: #endmeeting

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