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ReviewerMeeting20090819
summary
beuno to add a 'ui' specialty to ReviewerSchedule
- gary_poster will not be doing OCR for the next 6 months as he sits in as foundations team lead while flacoste is sitting in as launchpad team lead
logs
ameu
19-08-2009 10:00:24 > barry: #startmeeting 19-08-2009 10:00:25 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is barry. 19-08-2009 10:00:25 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] 19-08-2009 10:00:36 > barry: welcome to this week's ameu reviewer's meeting. who's here today? 19-08-2009 10:00:38 < BjornT!n=bjorn@canonical/launchpad/BjornT: me 19-08-2009 10:00:39 < EdwinGrubbs!n=egrubbs@66-90-254-166.dyn.grandenetworks.net: me 19-08-2009 10:00:43 < bac!n=bac@canonical/launchpad/bac: me 19-08-2009 10:00:59 > barry: deryck sends his apologies 19-08-2009 10:01:05 < salgado!n=salgado@canonical/launchpad/salgado: me 19-08-2009 10:01:17 < abentley!n=abentley@CPE001a7046c8f9-CM001e6b233d5a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com: me 19-08-2009 10:01:20 < adeuring!n=abel@79.197.105.142: me 19-08-2009 10:01:55 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: me 19-08-2009 10:01:55 -!- flacoste!n=francis@canonical/launchpad/flacoste has joined #launchpad-meeting 19-08-2009 10:02:10 < sinzui!n=sinzui@pool-71-178-242-15.washdc.fios.verizon.net: me 19-08-2009 10:02:14 > barry: jtv: ping 19-08-2009 10:02:17 < flacoste!n=francis@canonical/launchpad/flacoste: me 19-08-2009 10:02:20 < jtv!n=jtv@125.25.98.20.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net: me 19-08-2009 10:02:23 > barry: leonardr: ping 19-08-2009 10:02:24 < jtv!n=jtv@125.25.98.20.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net: barry: thanks :) 19-08-2009 10:02:29 > barry: :) 19-08-2009 10:02:31 < bigjools!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/bigjools: me 19-08-2009 10:02:54 > barry: cprov, gary_poster, gmb, noodles775 ping 19-08-2009 10:03:02 < noodles775!n=miken@canonical/launchpad/noodles775: me 19-08-2009 10:03:07 < gary_poster!n=gary_pos@cpe-069-134-114-064.nc.res.rr.com: me, sorry 19-08-2009 10:03:07 < cprov!n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov: me 19-08-2009 10:03:10 < leonardr!n=leonardr@canonical/launchpad/leonardr: me 19-08-2009 10:03:17 < gmb!n=graham@i-83-67-31-25.freedom2surf.net: barry: OTP at the moment; apologies are on the schedule. 19-08-2009 10:03:23 < gary_poster!n=gary_pos@cpe-069-134-114-064.nc.res.rr.com: :-) 19-08-2009 10:03:32 > * barry reloads the page 19-08-2009 10:03:43 < gary_poster!n=gary_pos@cpe-069-134-114-064.nc.res.rr.com: lol 19-08-2009 10:03:53 > barry: gmb: are you sure you committed your draft? :) 19-08-2009 10:04:28 > barry: danilos, allenap, rockstar ping 19-08-2009 10:04:36 < danilos!n=danilo@canonical/launchpad/danilos: me 19-08-2009 10:04:38 < allenap!n=gavin@89.16.172.38: me 19-08-2009 10:05:02 > barry: [TOPIC] agenda 19-08-2009 10:05:03 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: New Topic: agenda 19-08-2009 10:05:09 > barry: * Roll call 19-08-2009 10:05:09 > barry: * Action items 19-08-2009 10:05:09 > barry: * Mentoring update 19-08-2009 10:05:09 > barry: * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda) 19-08-2009 10:05:12 > barry: 19-08-2009 10:06:33 > barry: [TOPIC] action items 19-08-2009 10:06:34 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: New Topic: action items 19-08-2009 10:06:40 > barry: * intellectronica to report on relevant summary of ui reviewers meeting here 19-08-2009 10:06:47 > barry: intellectronica: tell us some good news! 19-08-2009 10:07:05 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: i think there has been some kind of misunderstanding 19-08-2009 10:07:12 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: there aren't really any ui reviewers meetings 19-08-2009 10:07:29 > barry: intellectronica: ui phone call maybe? 19-08-2009 10:08:00 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: i suppose the most interesting thing i can tell you is that martin is planning on beefing up the guidelines and in particular, start collecting case reports for interesting branches that went through ui review 19-08-2009 10:08:30 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: so if you're working on a ui branch from either side and think the process was interesting and other can learn from it, consider compiling a case report 19-08-2009 10:09:02 -!- beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno has joined #launchpad-meeting 19-08-2009 10:09:05 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: yes 19-08-2009 10:09:14 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: oh, we should have talked about a million dollars 19-08-2009 10:09:24 > barry: :) 19-08-2009 10:09:37 > barry: beuno: intellectronica was giving us a summary of the ui call 19-08-2009 10:09:57 > barry: <intellectronica> i suppose the most interesting thing i can tell you is that 19-08-2009 10:09:57 > barry: martin is planning on beefing up the guidelines and in 19-08-2009 10:09:57 > barry: particular, start collecting case reports for interesting 19-08-2009 10:09:57 > barry: branches that went through ui review [10:08] 19-08-2009 10:10:00 > barry: <intellectronica> so if you're working on a ui branch from either side and 19-08-2009 10:10:03 > barry: think the process was interesting and other can learn from 19-08-2009 10:10:06 > barry: it, consider compiling a case report 19-08-2009 10:10:09 > barry: 19-08-2009 10:10:16 > barry: intellectronica: thanks; beuno do you have anything you want to add? 19-08-2009 10:10:40 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: well 19-08-2009 10:10:49 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: my goal is for the team to do it's own reviews 19-08-2009 10:11:11 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: and have teh UX team help with the long-term changes 19-08-2009 10:11:42 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: and I'm not sure how to get there, but I'm starting to 19-08-2009 10:11:57 > barry: one other thing we talked about was adding a 'ui' specialty to ReviewerSchedule for people who have graduated from ui mentat 19-08-2009 10:12:01 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: so if anyone has suggestions, ideas, comments, anything, I'd be very grateful 19-08-2009 10:12:24 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: yes, it's on my ToDo 19-08-2009 10:12:32 > barry: beuno: cool, thanks 19-08-2009 10:12:58 > barry: beuno: do you want to join this meeting regularly? i could add 'ui reviewer report' to the agenda 19-08-2009 10:13:26 < beuno!n=beuno@canonical/launchpad/beuno: barry, I would like to try, yes 19-08-2009 10:13:40 > * barry will be pingmaster :) 19-08-2009 10:13:57 > barry: beuno: awesome, thanks. i'll remove intellectronica's action item then 19-08-2009 10:14:15 > barry: anything else on ui reviewing, from anybody? 19-08-2009 10:14:45 > barry: cool, moving on 19-08-2009 10:14:51 > barry: [TOPIC] mentoring update 19-08-2009 10:14:51 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: New Topic: mentoring update 19-08-2009 10:15:17 > barry: i think i'll remove this topic for now. when wgrant wants to become a reviewer we can add it back 19-08-2009 10:15:27 > barry: [TOPIC] peanut gallery 19-08-2009 10:15:27 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: aren't we all reviewing now? i think this item can be skipped until some community members start reviewing 19-08-2009 10:15:28 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: New Topic: peanut gallery 19-08-2009 10:15:39 > barry: intellectronica: yes, we are all reviewers! 19-08-2009 10:15:51 > barry: so, does anybody have anything not on the agenda? 19-08-2009 10:16:49 > barry: i guess that's it then! 19-08-2009 10:16:49 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: yes 19-08-2009 10:16:55 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: almost :) 19-08-2009 10:17:03 > barry: intellectronica: go4it 19-08-2009 10:17:18 < gary_poster!n=gary_pos@cpe-069-134-114-064.nc.res.rr.com: barry: (I'm not going to be OCR on Wednesday because of team lead duties) 19-08-2009 10:17:34 < gary_poster!n=gary_pos@cpe-069-134-114-064.nc.res.rr.com: 6 mo. :-) 19-08-2009 10:17:47 < intellectronica!n=tom@intellectronica.net: a reminder to everyone that python branches with a diff > 800 lines and javascript branches with a diff > 1600 lines are exceptional, and need to have a review sorted in advance. OCRs will often not be able to take them just like that 19-08-2009 10:18:09 > barry: gary_poster: gotcha. EdwinGrubbs will have to carry the west 19-08-2009 10:18:14 < gary_poster!n=gary_pos@cpe-069-134-114-064.nc.res.rr.com: k 19-08-2009 10:18:44 > barry: intellectronica: thanks, and remember as a reviewer you always have a right to kick the branch back 19-08-2009 10:19:10 > barry: anything else today? 19-08-2009 10:19:36 > barry: 5 19-08-2009 10:19:37 > barry: 4 19-08-2009 10:19:38 < * cprov!n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov feels guilty and hides. 19-08-2009 10:19:39 > barry: 3 19-08-2009 10:19:47 > barry: 2 19-08-2009 10:19:49 > barry: 1 19-08-2009 10:19:52 > barry: #endmeeting
asiapac
19-08-2009 18:30:33 > barry: #startmeeting 19-08-2009 18:30:35 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: Meeting started at 17:30. The chair is barry. 19-08-2009 18:30:35 < MootBot!n=MootBot@unaffiliated/mootbot: Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] 19-08-2009 18:30:47 > barry: hello and welcome to this week's asiapac meeting, who's here today? 19-08-2009 18:31:04 > barry: thumper, rockstar ping 19-08-2009 18:31:18 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: hey 19-08-2009 18:32:05 > barry: thumper: hi. i think it's just the three of us today, right? 19-08-2009 18:32:21 -!- mbarnett!n=mbarnett@64.34.151.178 has quit ["Leaving"] 19-08-2009 18:32:26 > barry: should be a quick meeting i think 19-08-2009 18:32:33 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: yep, although rockstar is out for a walk right now, so maybe just me 19-08-2009 18:32:38 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: did rockstar go to the earlier one? 19-08-2009 18:32:50 > barry: nope, he's joining us now 19-08-2009 18:33:06 > barry: s'okay, we can start (and maybe finish without him :) 19-08-2009 18:33:19 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: ok 19-08-2009 18:33:35 > barry: not much to report from ameu; gary_poster will suspend ocr duties while he fills in for flacoste, who's filling in for kiko 19-08-2009 18:33:44 < * thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper nods 19-08-2009 18:33:56 > barry: that's really about it. got anything on your mind today? 19-08-2009 18:34:21 < * thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper thinks 19-08-2009 18:34:32 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: mainly just 3.0 redesign 19-08-2009 18:34:34 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: although... 19-08-2009 18:34:39 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: there was a question earlier by gmb 19-08-2009 18:34:48 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: about "do mechanical 3.0 changes need a ui review" 19-08-2009 18:34:58 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: I was under the impression that mechanical ones don't 19-08-2009 18:35:03 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: new pages/designs do 19-08-2009 18:35:17 > barry: those are up to the reviewer+dev. if they feel it doesn't need another ui review, they're fine 19-08-2009 18:35:26 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: ok 19-08-2009 18:35:39 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: that's it for me 19-08-2009 18:35:45 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: One thing... 19-08-2009 18:35:56 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: Not sure where is appropriate, though. 19-08-2009 18:35:56 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: shoot 19-08-2009 18:36:01 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: ask away 19-08-2009 18:37:06 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: It seems to me that contributors should always get a reviewer from the team that their branch targets, because otherwise the team has no chance to object. 19-08-2009 18:37:34 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: The dev wiki just says to poke an OCR, but that probably often isn't right. 19-08-2009 18:37:49 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: wgrant: I think it depends on the change 19-08-2009 18:37:51 > barry: wgrant: that should be okayedin a pre-imp call, likely with a team member 19-08-2009 18:38:05 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: wgrant: if it is something trivial, then I'd be happy to OK a bugs or soyuz change 19-08-2009 18:38:05 > barry: we're all /supposed/ to be be able to review anything 19-08-2009 18:38:16 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: but if it is not trivial, or requires more specialised knowledge 19-08-2009 18:38:22 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: I'll pass it on, like I have done 19-08-2009 18:38:24 < rockstar!n=rockstar@canonical/launchpad/rockstar: oops. 19-08-2009 18:38:27 < rockstar!n=rockstar@canonical/launchpad/rockstar: Hi 19-08-2009 18:38:31 > barry: rockstar: hi 19-08-2009 18:38:47 > barry: thumper: yep 19-08-2009 18:38:56 > barry: wgrant: does that make sense? 19-08-2009 18:39:12 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: barry: It says to do the pre-imp chat with the OCR, but I suppose in most cases they'll just defer to a member of the right team, in which case that's fine. 19-08-2009 18:39:20 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: It does. 19-08-2009 18:39:27 > barry: wgrant: cool, yep 19-08-2009 18:39:41 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: Thanks. 19-08-2009 18:40:04 > barry: wgrant: it's great to see you here, and fantastic to see your branches landing. how is the processing going for you? 19-08-2009 18:40:34 > barry: er, process 19-08-2009 18:40:42 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: barry: Very well, apart from the opacity of PQM and ec2test. 19-08-2009 18:40:54 > barry: wgrant: well, at least we feel your pain there too :) 19-08-2009 18:41:01 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: wgrant: we are wanting to move to LP queues 19-08-2009 18:41:01 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: The actual review stuff is fine. 19-08-2009 18:41:10 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: wgrant: which will make at least that part more visible 19-08-2009 18:41:15 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: But after the review, it goes into a black hole and sometimes doesn't appear again. 19-08-2009 18:41:16 < rockstar!n=rockstar@canonical/launchpad/rockstar: And once we're on queues, tarmac. 19-08-2009 18:41:28 > barry: rockstar: ftw 19-08-2009 18:41:29 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: rockstar: maybe ;-) 19-08-2009 18:41:35 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: There's also the problem of security branches, but I believe you're working that out elsewhere. 19-08-2009 18:41:39 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: That hit me today. 19-08-2009 18:41:44 < rockstar!n=rockstar@canonical/launchpad/rockstar: thumper, don't toy with my emotions like that... :) 19-08-2009 18:41:50 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: I'm supposed to come up with a plan 19-08-2009 18:41:57 > barry: wgrant: because you can't make private branches? 19-08-2009 18:42:00 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: but I've not had time right now with the 3.0 stuff 19-08-2009 18:42:02 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: barry: Correct. 19-08-2009 18:42:14 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: we are planning the ability for anyone to be able to have a private branch 19-08-2009 18:42:19 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: to fix security bugs 19-08-2009 18:42:24 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: barry: I got spm to make it private, but then had to go back to him to get it visible to ~launchpad. 19-08-2009 18:42:30 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: but there are issues about who gets emailed when 19-08-2009 18:42:33 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: I'm not a member of ~launchpad, so I can't subscribe them to my private branch. 19-08-2009 18:42:37 > barry: thumper: would they have to be tied to security bugs? 19-08-2009 18:42:44 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: barry: possibly 19-08-2009 18:42:57 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: barry: we are lacking some ui ability 19-08-2009 18:42:58 > barry: wgrant: yep, that's losa territory 19-08-2009 18:43:32 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: barry: it may just work, but I'm not convinced, and will have to look at the tests 19-08-2009 18:43:43 > barry: cool. rockstar anything on your mind for today? 19-08-2009 18:44:03 < rockstar!n=rockstar@canonical/launchpad/rockstar: barry, nope, not really. I think the UI review for mechanical changes thing was the only thing. 19-08-2009 18:44:47 > barry: if there's nothing else from thumper, wgrant... 19-08-2009 18:44:54 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: Is devpad.info going to be public at some point? 19-08-2009 18:44:54 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: nope 19-08-2009 18:45:10 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: buildbot is moving 19-08-2009 18:45:12 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: It's annoying getting buildbot failures with me in the blamelist, and not being able to actually see what went wrong. 19-08-2009 18:45:17 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: Ah. 19-08-2009 18:45:29 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: wgrant: lpbuildbot.canonical.com 19-08-2009 18:45:38 < thumper!n=quassel@canonical/launchpad/thumper: wgrant: but I'm not sure on the visibility of it 19-08-2009 18:45:48 < rockstar!n=rockstar@canonical/launchpad/rockstar: It should be public. 19-08-2009 18:46:29 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: thumper: Aha! 19-08-2009 18:46:32 < wgrant!n=wgrant@ubuntu/member/wgrant: But no, it's not public. 19-08-2009 18:47:28 > barry: i think we're done... 19-08-2009 18:47:30 > barry: #endmeeting
