ReviewerMeeting2010mmdd
summary
- bac to update wiki re: interim status of community reviewers and committers
- rockstar to update bugs to reflect new naming convention and will update the style guide
- mars to discuss UI reviewers team on UI call
logs
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[15:00] <bac> #startmeeting [15:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is bac. [15:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [15:01] <bac> Hi, welcome to the Launchpad Reviewers Meeting serving Europe and the Americas. Who is here? [15:01] <rockstar> me [15:01] <noodles775> me too [15:01] <abentley> also me [15:02] <deryck> me [15:02] <henninge> me [15:02] <allenap> me [15:02] <bigjools> me [15:02] <bac> sinzui, EdwinGrubbs: ping [15:02] <bigjools> or should I say, moi aussi [15:02] <EdwinGrubbs> me [15:02] <sinzui> me [15:03] <bac> danilos: ping [15:03] <bac> Registry Team is here! [15:03] <adeuring> me [15:03] <intellectronica> me [15:03] <bac> gary_poster: ping [15:03] <gary_poster> bac: me [15:03] <bac> flacoste: ping [15:03] <flacoste> me [15:04] <bac> TLs ping your peeps [15:04] <mars> me [15:04] <henninge> bac: I did ping my TL [15:04] <salgado> me [15:04] <henninge> ;) [15:04] <bac> [topic] agenda [15:04] <MootBot> New Topic: agenda [15:04] <bigjools> soyuz here [15:04] <al-maisan> me [15:05] <bac> * Roll call [15:05] <bac> * Agenda [15:05] <bac> * Outstanding actions [15:05] <bac> * New topics [15:05] <bac> * YUI namespacing for lp specific items should start with lp (rockstar) [15:05] <bac> * Peanut gallery [15:05] <bac> [topic] outstanding actions [15:05] <MootBot> New Topic: outstanding actions [15:05] <bac> [topic] * gary_poster to do timing tests for try/except, examine current usage of check_permission, and we'll discuss again 3-Mar. [15:05] <MootBot> New Topic: * gary_poster to do timing tests for try/except, examine current usage of check_permission, and we'll discuss again 3-Mar. [15:05] <bac> any progress gary_poster? [15:06] <gary_poster> let's take it off the list, and I'll ping when I do it [15:06] <gary_poster> that would be a no :-) [15:06] <bac> gary_poster: ok. [15:06] <bac> [topic] * salgado to update the wiki page to encourage reviews with sufficient context. [15:06] <MootBot> New Topic: * salgado to update the wiki page to encourage reviews with sufficient context. [15:07] <salgado> oh, crap. haven't done it yet [15:07] <salgado> sorry [15:07] <bac> np. i keep meaning to harass people with items on mondays but i keep forgetting. [15:07] <bac> [topic] bigjools to start ML discussion about community reviewers and committers. (done 24-Feb) [15:07] <MootBot> New Topic: bigjools to start ML discussion about community reviewers and committers. (done 24-Feb) [15:07] <bac> thanks bigjools -- you're our star today [15:08] <bigjools> I don't suck! [15:08] <bigjools> next action on you to talk to legal? [15:08] <bac> and on a related note: [15:08] <bac> [topic] * bac to seek opinion of IS and Legal wrt community reviewers and committers. (due 10-Mar). [15:08] <MootBot> New Topic: * bac to seek opinion of IS and Legal wrt community reviewers and committers. (due 10-Mar). [15:08] <bac> i agreed to do this task yesterday but haven't gotten to it yet. [15:09] <danilos> bac, do you want it to be an action or a topic? [15:09] <bac> martin pool made the reasonable request that we/I write a statement on the wiki about the fact we're looking into the issue in the interim [15:10] <bac> [action] bac to update wiki re: interim status of community reviewers and committers [15:10] <MootBot> ACTION received: bac to update wiki re: interim status of community reviewers and committers [15:10] <bac> danilos: i use -topic- for old items and -action- for new ones. not that it matters much as mootbot is mostly useless [15:11] <bac> new stuff [15:11] <bac> [topic] YUI namespacing for lp specific items should start with lp (rockstar) [15:11] <MootBot> New Topic: YUI namespacing for lp specific items should start with lp (rockstar) [15:11] <bac> rockstar has sacrificed his morning bike ride to be with us today [15:12] <rockstar> Yes, but I would half-assed the ride anyway. [15:12] <deryck> he'd only get hit by a car anyway ;) [15:12] <deryck> hi rockstar [15:12] <bigjools> step away from the car deryck [15:12] <deryck> heh [15:12] <rockstar> So the current rule in YUI namespacing for launchpad is to start with the app it's being used on. [15:12] <danilos> rockstar, good morning, I'd be +1 on your suggestion [15:12] <danilos> (not that I heard it fully :) [15:13] <rockstar> I think that's a little inconsistent with the way we precede lazr-js widgets with lazr. [15:13] <rockstar> So I propose that javascript namespaces start with lp. [15:14] <mars> rockstar, do you have an example of the old way, and the new way? [15:14] <rockstar> That way, if/when we start using third party widgets (yes please), there's no confusion which ones, are lp specific. [15:14] <intellectronica> +1 [15:14] <intellectronica> what about existing code? [15:14] <rockstar> mars, no, unless you count what we have as the old way, and what I have sitting in a branch as the new way. [15:15] <rockstar> intellectronica, I assume we migrate as we can. There are already open bugs that EdwinGrubbs filed because namespaces are wrong is some places already. [15:15] <bac> it's a lovely suggestion rockstar. i wish you'd made it about a month ago... :) [15:15] <rockstar> I should also mention that I'm in the process of doing away with lib/canonical/launchpad/javascript. [15:15] <bac> EdwinGrubbs: how many of those bugs have been done? [15:17] <intellectronica> rockstar: you rock [15:17] <EdwinGrubbs> bac: I know that I did the one for the registry. I don't know about any of the other ones except that rockstar worked on one which I reviewed, so the inconsistencies between the ways we completed it are fortunately being brought to the meeting. [15:17] <intellectronica> star [15:17] <rockstar> bac, we talked about this change at the lazr-js sprint, but apparently it got changed before it made it to the reviewers. [15:17] <bac> any other thoughts? [15:18] <rockstar> I'd be happy to help other teams get their javascript in order. [15:18] <bigjools> yes please :) [15:18] <bac> rockstar: thanks [15:18] <rockstar> (specifically the teams that have no javascript) [15:18] <rockstar> :) [15:18] <noodles775> lol [15:18] <bigjools> lol [15:18] <bac> so, it looks like we're in favor of the change. [15:19] <bac> thanks for the idea and bringing it up rockstar [15:19] <deryck> I'm +1 and we still have the other renaming for bugs to do anyway. [15:19] <rockstar> deryck, I'll just comment on your bugs with the new change. [15:19] <deryck> rockstar, excellent, thanks! [15:20] <bac> rockstar: can i get you to update he existing bugs EdwinGrubbs opened and open new ones for the apps that have already been converted? [15:20] <rockstar> bac, yeah, I committed to that at the UI meeting when I first proposed this. [15:21] <rockstar> Also, updating the style guide. [15:21] <bac> [action] rockstar to update bugs to reflect new naming convention and will update the style guide [15:21] <MootBot> ACTION received: rockstar to update bugs to reflect new naming convention and will update the style guide [15:21] <bac> [topic] peanuts [15:21] <MootBot> New Topic: peanuts [15:21] <bac> anything to discuss that wasn't on the agenda? [15:21] <noodles775> New reviewer to join me for Thurs Euro? [15:21] <noodles775> Now with al-maisan leaving soon, I'll be all on my own again :) [15:22] <noodles775> (leaving launchpad that is) [15:22] <abentley> Do we have a ui-reviewers team? [15:22] <rockstar> noodles775, do you really get busy on Thursday in Euro? [15:22] <noodles775> The last two weeks yes, pretty much my whole day (handing a queue to you), but the week before was only one, so it varies. [15:23] <mars> abentley, we are discussing about how to graduate more UI reviewers. Curtis is practically ready to graduate, he just hasn't assumed the crown yet :) [15:23] <bac> noodles775: most slots only have single-person coverage [15:23] <noodles775> bac: just checked, yeah right, only Monday and Weds have 2. OK. [15:23] <abentley> mars, that seems only tangentially related to my question. [15:24] <bac> https://dev.launchpad.net/ReviewerSchedule [15:24] <bigjools> noodles775: jelmer wants to start reviewing and he might collar to be a mentor [15:24] <noodles775> Sounds great! [15:24] <bigjools> collar you, that is [15:24] <bac> abentley: UI reviewers are marked under the "specialties" column on the wiki i posted [15:25] <bac> abentley: other than that no real team [15:25] <mars> abentley, then the answer is no: we do not have a team [15:25] <mars> abentley, the list of reviewers ann process can be found here: https://dev.launchpad.net/UI/Reviews [15:25] <abentley> bac, mars: I would like to be able to request a ui review from the ui-reviewers team. [15:26] <mars> ah, interesting idea [15:26] <abentley> Its non-existence makes that hard :-) [15:26] <bac> abentley: ok, so you're talking about a team in launchpad for use in merge proposals. [15:26] <abentley> bac, yes. [15:26] <bac> abentley: so the answer is "not now" but it seems easy enough to do [15:26] <abentley> bac, having a team might overlap with that wiki page. [15:27] <abentley> But it might also be a nice way to find a ui reviewer. [15:27] <bac> abentley: would you like to coordinate getting that team established? [15:27] <rockstar> abentley, I'm your ui reviewer. Never forget that. :) [15:27] <abentley> rockstar, :-) [15:27] <abentley> bac, sure. [15:27] <mars> abentley, we can discuss it at the next UI call, if you wish [15:28] <abentley> mars, okay. [15:28] <bac> [action] mars to discuss UI reviewers team on UI call [15:28] <MootBot> ACTION received: mars to discuss UI reviewers team on UI call [15:28] <bac> any other topics? [15:29] <bac> ok, thanks for coming everyone. [15:29] <rockstar> Why would we need to discuss making a UI reviewers team? Couldn't we just JFDI? [15:29] <bac> #endmeeting [15:29] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:29.
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[21:31] <MootBot> Meeting started at 15:31. The chair is bac. [21:31] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [21:31] <bac> hi michael [21:32] <rockstar> hi [21:32] <bac> hi rockstar [21:32] <rockstar> bac, I guess I'm doing double duty today. :) [21:32] <bac> a twofer [21:32] <bac> rockstar: heck you should just lead the meeting [21:32] <rockstar> bac, :) [21:33] <bac> the only excitement from this morning was rockstar's proposal for changing (again -- :) ) the JS naming conventions [21:33] <rockstar> bac, in my defense, this was what was originally intended. :) [21:33] <bac> rockstar: you want to summarize your idea? [21:33] <rockstar> Okay, so basically all YUI namespacing for lp specific modules now starts with lp. [21:34] <rockstar> So for the code team, our modules would be namespaced as "lp.code.whatever" [21:34] <rockstar> The code team has more specifics to the namespace, but those aren't lp wide. [21:34] <bac> the previous new convention had just been "code.whatever", right? [21:35] <bac> there wasn't much discussion since everyone thought it was a reasonable idea [21:36] <bac> abentley brought up the idea of creating a launchpad-ui-reviewers team in LP for use in assigning a reviewer in a MP [21:36] <mwhudson> both those things make sense to me [21:37] <bac> mars was going to bring it up on the UI reviewers call. after the meeting ended there was some discussion about whether it made sense or not, but i couldn't hang around for the outcome [21:37] <bac> i guess we'll learn more next week [21:38] <rockstar> (the outcome is that we're going to talk about creating a team instead of JFDI'ing :) [21:38] <bac> and from the mailing list discussion about community involvement in reviews and landing i took the assignment to check with legal and IS as to whether it is feasible or not from a corporate standpoint [21:39] <bac> rockstar: yeah, it seemed a bit wankish but i guess there is no need to create a team if in the end it's not going to be useful [21:40] <bac> so, that was basically all we discussed. nothing too controversial. [21:40] <bac> either of you have anything to talk about? [21:40] <mwhudson> i thought rob's mail on the the community reviewer thread expressed my position pretty well [21:41] <bac> hey, i have a question. i see in merge proposals the "reviewed version" is being set of us. was that a recent fix? [21:41] <mwhudson> bac: yes [21:41] <bac> mwhudson: cool [21:42] * bac tries to remember what exactly rob's point was [21:43] <mwhudson> well, partly that it was a strange limit to try to hold, given that there is plenty of community in ubuntu-core-dev [21:43] <mwhudson> but i didn't really want to restart the discussion here :) [21:43] <bac> no, thanks for that [21:44] <bac> well, that's all i've got [21:44] <mwhudson> me too [21:44] <bac> thanks for coming. [21:44] <bac> #endmeeting [21:44] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 15:44.