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[15:00] <bac> #startmeeting
[15:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is bac.
[15:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:00] <bac> hi who is here for today's reviewer meeting?
[15:00] <jelmer> me
[15:00] <mars> me
[15:00] <sinzui> me
[15:00] <abentley2> me
[15:00] <adeuring> me
[15:00] <henninge> me
[15:00] <henninge> bac: danilo sends his apologies
[15:00] <leonardr> me
[15:00] <henninge> I think ;)
[15:01] <bac> gary, francis, julian are also away
[15:01] <mars> Foundations is here. Record time :)
[15:01] <BjornT> me (although a bit busy with other things)
[15:01] <noodles775> me
[15:01] <bac> deryck too. is gmb around today? allenap?
[15:01] <gmb> me
[15:02] <gmb> bac, allenap is now a Landscaper for 6 moths.
[15:02] <adeuring> bac: allenap is on "LP holidays"
[15:02] <gmb> Er, months.
[15:02] <bac> ah, right
[15:02] <mars> gmb, ? Did I miss that in the staffing mail?
[15:02] <bac> salgado: ping
[15:03] <mars> bac, salgado is off to other projects as well
[15:03] <bac> right, right
[15:03] <gmb> mars, Possibly; I wasn't paying attention. But he's definitely on rotation to LS.
[15:03] <bac> [topic] agenda
[15:03] <MootBot> New Topic: agenda
[15:03] <bac> * Roll call
[15:03] <bac> * Agenda
[15:03] <bac> * Outstanding actions
[15:03] <bac> * Mentoring update
[15:03] <bac> * New topics
[15:03] <bac> * ec2 failures - bac
[15:03] <bac> * UDS next week. No meeting or volunteer substitute chair?
[15:03] <bac> * Peanut gallery
[15:03] <bac> [topic] outstanding actions
[15:03] <MootBot> New Topic: outstanding actions
[15:03] <bac> * bac is a big loser
[15:03] <EdwinGrubbs> me
[15:04] <bac> i have two items on my plate that i haven't gotten to. i *promise* to do them tomorrow so i can go to UDS with a clear conscience
[15:04] <intellectronica> me
[15:04] <bac> [topic] rockstar to start ML discussion about the lack of UI reviews
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic: rockstar to start ML discussion about the lack of UI reviews
[15:05] <bac> rockstar attends the AMEU meeting so he's not here now. i don't think he did this, though.
[15:05] <bac> he brought it up in the meeting last week and had good statistics on the number of UI reviews that have been performed lately and it was very low.
[15:05] <bac> i'll remind him to take it to the list and we can chat there
[15:05] <noodles775> Yeah, I haven't seen any in a few weeks now (and few before)
[15:06] <intellectronica> bac: we've discussed this and we think the stats are wrong
[15:06] <bac> intellectronica: really? that's good to hear.
[15:07] <mars> intellectronica, bac, true, but that discussion can probably be saved for the list
[15:07] <bac> sinzui: what is your impression? have you been doing many?
[15:07] <intellectronica> because of ec2 land people don't commit with the quite tag
[15:07] <sinzui> I was doing many in week 1 and 2
[15:07] <sinzui> 1 last week
[15:07] <gmb> bac, intellectronica and sinzui did 3 or for for me last cycle, for sure.
[15:07] <bac> intellectronica: why is that? i thought ec2 land did a good job of getting the ui tag?
[15:07] * intellectronica shuts up
[15:07] <gmb> s/last/this
[15:07] <sinzui> I think this may be indicative that UI should land in weeks 0, 1, and 2
[15:08] <gmb> bac, Only if you tag the review with 'ui' in the mp.
[15:08] <gmb> Otherwise I think it just puts all the names in the [r=] block.
[15:08] <bac> gmb: ah, so we need to ensure the ui reviewers are tagging correctly or the MP author does it right.
[15:08] <gmb> Yes
[15:08] <bac> that's good information to pass on.
[15:09] <bac> so we have a failure in tools/procedure not lack of reviewing. hurrah.
[15:09] <bac> moving on
[15:09] <bac> [topic] * ec2 failures - bac
[15:09] <MootBot> New Topic: * ec2 failures - bac
[15:10] <bac> mars and i chatted this morning and we wanted to hear from people how often they are seeing ec2 jobs just disappear and the effect it is having.
[15:10] <bac> personally i see it a lot and it is very disruptive
[15:10] <jelmer> bac: I'm often seeing branches disappear, and it's quite annoying.
[15:10] <bac> for important branches i've been running them locally
[15:10] <mars> So far I know salgado and matsubara have both experienced a few test suite hangs in the past few days
[15:10] <bac> also, my ec2 bill last month was 4 times normal
[15:11] <gmb> bac, I've seen it happen twice this week already, it's getting annoyingly common.
[15:11] <gmb> I don't see many branches hanging; they just vanish.
[15:11] <bac> so how can we attack this problem to figure out what is going on?
[15:11] <mars> gmb, the instance dies?
[15:11] <jelmer> I haven't seen any hanging branches either (or do they get killed automatically?)
[15:11] <mars> jelmer, ^ ?
[15:11] <salgado> the ec2 instance shuts itself down after 8h
[15:12] <gmb> salgado, Ah, so they might well be hangs then.
[15:12] <noodles775> I've killed one hanging ec2 land after the log had not been updated for 2hrs.
[15:12] <mars> salgado, thanks, that is good to know
[15:12] <salgado> if it's left hung for long enough, it will shut down and you won't get any notifications
[15:12] <noodles775> (last week)
[15:12] <jelmer> mars: yeah, it just disappears silently
[15:12] <bac> did we have this problem before jml's subunit changes?
[15:12] <mars> jelmer, think it is inside our outside that 8 hour window?
[15:13] <jelmer> mars: outside probably
[15:13] <mars> ok
[15:13] <salgado> bac, I think we had it before. do you know when the subunit changes landed?
[15:13] <mars> bac, the changes and fixes landed the 14th of April, your fix landed on the 21st
[15:14] <jelmer> I've definitely seen it before his changes as well.
[15:14] <bac> jelmer: ok, thanks.
[15:14] <mars> jelmer, salgado, that is also good to know. Thanks.
[15:15] <mars> For everyone's benefit, I am tracking progress on this with Bug 570380
[15:15] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 570380 in launchpad-foundations "ec2test sometimes hangs on the first windmill test" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/570380
[15:15] <bac> thanks mars
[15:15] <mars> I have some solutions being worked on for this, I will keep everyone updated as things progress
[15:16] <bac> i guess i'd encourage everyone to not just suffer in silence but (kindly) let mars know when it happens and try to gather some data
[15:16] <bac> [topic] * UDS next week. No meeting or volunteer substitute chair?
[15:16] <MootBot> New Topic: * UDS next week. No meeting or volunteer substitute chair?
[15:16] <bac> i'm at UDS next week and a few others as well.
[15:16] <bac> shall we just skip the meeting?
[15:16] <bac> or would someone like to volunteer to lead it?
[15:17] <bac> i think the group silence is a vote to skip.
[15:17] <bac> [action] bac cancels next week's reviewers meeting
[15:17] <MootBot> ACTION received: bac cancels next week's reviewers meeting
[15:17] <bac> [topic] mentoring update
[15:17] <MootBot> New Topic: mentoring update
[15:18] <bac> noodles775, jelmer: everything still going well?
[15:18] <noodles775> Yep... although more non-soyuz reviews for jelmer would still be great :)
[15:18] <jelmer> I reviewed only two branches last week, mostly because I was distracted by other things. It's all going well otherwise though imo.
[15:19] <jelmer> and yeah, more non-soyuz branches please :-)
[15:19] <bac> [topic] peanut gallery
[15:19] <MootBot> New Topic: peanut gallery
[15:19] <maxb> I have a peanut item: https://dev.launchpad.net/ReviewingCodeImports claims that community members can be members of ~vcs-imports, however, when it was brought up on the mailing list (subj: Code Import Reviews), the thread fizzled out with me producing a list of places where ~vcs-imports perhaps granted too-wide permissions. Someone should decide whether community members really _can_ be in ~vcs-imports or not, and either change the wi
[15:19] <maxb> ki page or work out how to make it happen.
[15:19] <bac> hi maxb
[15:20] <maxb> I believe this might dovetail with the promised community reviewers email :-)
[15:20] <bac> thanks for bringing that up max.
[15:20] <bac> maxb: touche
[15:20] <wgrant> Promised, legendary, or mythical?
[15:20] <wgrant> It seems to be in the realms of legend at the moment :P
[15:21] <bac> maxb: i'll bring it up in the ameu meeting this afternoon
[15:21] <maxb> thanks
[15:21] <sinzui> Looks like poolie and members of the Launchpad-code team can add you gentlemen
[15:21] <bac> any other topics?
[15:21] <mars> wgrant, it's not mythical, I've seen it! I swear!
[15:21] <bac> it's right there in my drafts folder, wgrant. really it is.
[15:22] <wgrant> Oh!
[15:22] <bac> going once
[15:22] <bac> twice
[15:22] <bac> thanks for coming everyone.
[15:22] <bac> * UDS next week. No meeting or volunteer substitute chair?
[15:22] <bac> er,
[15:22] <mars> thanks bac
[15:22] <bac> #endmeeting
[15:22] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:22.
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